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Discussion in 'AP Magazine Feedback & Suggestions' started by Mark101, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile back in the real world, it's a site issue for which there's a mitigation, which I've already tried to explain once or twice to Mick. I accept there's a mitigation, but that doesn't absolve the site of having the issue.

    Anyway, I've bored you all enough on this topic. I don't actually have an issue technically with the site, but I am taking a break from it for a while.
  2. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    I've bored everybody too, and myself reading through the site source code trying to find a problem.

    I don't see that the fact the site has not got a https version of the forum is a problem that needs solving. If it had got an https version and that was broken it would be a site fault but if it ain't there how can fault be assigned ?

    I would never have expected that a browser would automatically convert a web address that is http to https . That clearly is going to cause problems and looking on google has been doing so for some small time.
  3. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Point is that it doesn't really matter if there's a site issue or not if it's not likely to be resolved in the immediate future and there's a way of not having the problem - that's not unusual in the real world, however wrong it may be. I've never yet seen code that was perfect and if it's not a major issue to many users, many organisations just won't bother to fix it until they need to fix something else - simply the way of the world.
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  4. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    The fact is the problem didn't appear to exist some weeks ago and I'm still using the same browsers as then so, what has the Webmaster done to cause the problem?
  5. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    I don't think that my problem is any different from anyone else's. Maybe I'm not as adept at explaining it. I see issues related to HTTP and HTTPS just as has been explained by others. You keep insisting that it's a browser problem (despite the AP site being the ONLY one to give any issue) and Eightbit (I think) insists that it's a site issue and gives loads of code and examples to support his opinion. I have to agree that a site that has ambitions to serve a wide , possibly global, community shouldn't behave oddly as this one does.

    'EightBit' says he's told me a couple of times about a 'mitigation' and I accept that - in fact I use the mitigation (switching to default view if I've got the words right) whenever I want to post - otherwise it's well nigh impossible.

    Anyway - for me and others it's broken and I'm not prepared to reconfigure my machine (and potentially cause issue with other sites) just to work around a mistake made elsewhere.

  6. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    It's unfortunate that many people have been sold on the idea that it's always "someone else's problem". On top of that they fail to realise the sheer complexity under the hood of all modern digital systems. The cries that "someone needs to fix it" ignore the observation that many (possibly most) members aren't experiencing difficulties in their use of the site so any competent administrator will leave well enough alone.
  7. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Given that virtually nobody else is having a problem, clearly it is. I'm sure if everybody was having the problem, they would fix it, but commercial realities are such that this is likely to be a very low priority for resource. I agree that they should fix it, but there's just not the money around.
    If you just update your favourites to point to the non-HTTPS links, surely that's your problem solved without you having to change anything in your configuration?
  8. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    My favourites 'button' does point to the non-https version but as soon as I navigate away from the home page it reverts to the https version and I get the issue that several others on here have described.

    If anyone has told me how to stop the site automatically taking me to https then I'm afraid that I didn't understand them (I'm not a computer expert).

    Yes I can work around by logging in and using default but, for my own reasons, I don't always want to login.

    As far as numbers are concerned there are some on here seeing the same problem and who knows how many visiting and leaving because of it.

    If someone can tell me how to fix the issue simply (and in terms I can understand) then I'll do it. I have two conditions : First I don't want to log in on every visit; second I don't want to install special software.

    Last edited: Nov 28, 2018
  9. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    After hours of looking at this - It is NOT THE SITE. It is the browser. I googled it. Some ad-ins/options force some browsers to interpret every site as if it were meeting https protocols. If they don't then the sites appear mangled.

    This seems to be added to some browsers as a security feature and there are lots of internet articles on how to stop it. Though they probably can't be read until you turn the option off.
  10. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    @MickLL - do you use an ad-blocker?
  11. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I am surprised at you! That is not a question a gentleman asks another gentleman. :cool:
  12. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    No - at least not as far as I'm aware!!

  13. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Ok, categorically no plugins here.

    I go to this link,


    I click on this,


    and it loads the https page.

    I know the link under that icon is the http link, but there's something in the website code which is redirecting it to the https site.

    The problem is categorically the site, and categorically not something unique to Mick.

    It doesn't happen every time. But it's not Mick, it's not me, it's not us, it's the site.

    I agree with @Benchista that it might not be fixed because AP don't have time / budget / people, but there's no mitigation I can suggest for Mick other than not using that link, because it's not a behaviour of his browser I'm afraid.

    So long.
  14. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    This argument has been going on since the invention of HTML. When a page is written the developer makes assumptions about what the reader's browser and operating system will do when it sees that code. There's a strong possibility those assumptions will be wrong for some of the readers. Here's the rub: in the absence of a contractural relationship the reader has no way to make the writer change things so the reader can...
    • ...put up with the nuisance
    • or change their system to work how the writer expects it to.
    • or go elsewhere.
  15. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    I think that it might be fixed. At least I haven't had the problem since getting back from the East earlier in the month.

    Anyone else think the same?

  16. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Hi Mick, not sure, I don't have the energy to do the amount of testing I did before-hand. Glad it appears to have been resolved for you though.
  17. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    Hi Tony,
    No it's not fixed. See my post elsewhere.

  18. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    It's now Friday (01/03/2019) evening, and in my recent experience (Firefox / Win10 64bit on a desktop) it now seems stable. Let's hope that I'm not tempting fate. At least I now have a work-around.
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  19. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    I am pleased to say that the AP website is healthy.........
    Unlike Facebook and its slave companies:)
  20. Brian G

    Brian G New Member

    Most websites these days post a "cookies" permission request when you open the site.
    On this AP website I get the "cookies" permission request EVERY TIME I LOAD A NEW PAGE!
    This is extremely boring and unnecessary.
    Why can't the cookies notice be posted ONCE, and when you've clicked the "I ACCEPT" box it is not shown again.

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