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Thoughts on face masks...

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Geren, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

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  2. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

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  3. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    What's Gove's excuse, he always looks like that
     
  4. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

  5. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    We're not hiding, we're covering our faces to reduce the risk of infecting others and being infected ourselves, in order to reduce deaths which can be avoided.
     
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  6. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    I'd agree that overwhelming the NHS should be avoided but the virus doesn't look like it will go away any more than Spanish flu went away.

    Maybe this one will take 2 years to settle down to a new normal too but whatever the timescale I'm not wasting resources on extending it any more than necessary, for personal reasons at least.

    There's a sticking plaster to come off and it's going to sting either way.
     
  7. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    It's a complex and difficult situation. I just think we shouldn't be blasé about building up antibodies for a disease that isn't yet fully understood. And we shouldn't shame people for wearing masks. And we shouldn't shame people for being frightened and concerned and trying to decrease their chances of catching something which has killed 10's of thousands of people in the UK who would otherwise have survived this year.

    Having antibodies means you've had the disease. Having the disease was fatal for ~40,000 people in the UK so far. Assuming you'll get the disease and not die is okay for a single person to take on board the risk, but having the disease, not knowing about it and killing other people as a result seems a little bit sociopathic.
     
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  8. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    I'm afraid the numbers are rubbish......initially the numbers were inflated which may have helped scare people into complying with restrictions and more recently lowered to more believable levels.

    It's a global problem and I don't believe it is going to go away.

    Last year I could have had another flu strain without knowing and killed people. The situation is pretty normal in that respect.
     
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  9. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    It isn't a flu - it's a completely different virus, with a different range of unpleasant effects.
     
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  10. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    It's not about you. It's about other people's family.

    There's so much in what you've written which is frustrating to me, but I'm in the car outside our vets for our new cat checkups so I can't write much on my phone.

    But my main point is that your approach is about you. Some of us are doing this for others.
     
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  11. MickLL

    MickLL In the Stop Bath

    Whenever any of my American friends write to me they insist on calling it "Wuhan Flu".

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  12. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Good old Trump has got a lot to answer for.
     
  13. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    Don't blame him blame me- I did the above quote back in January...:rolleyes:
     
  14. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    For me, I am careful and considerate, but I do feel like I've lost three months waiting beside a busy road, knowing I have to cross it eventually.
     
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  15. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    It's different for everyone and there are complex emotional challenges on all sides. But here's the thing, if I discovered that, through my own behaviour, I had infected someone who was vulnerable but who would have otherwise been okay, even if they survived, I would feel utterly terrible.

    In weeks and months we may discover increasingly effective treatments, which reduce the risk of people suffering long term or fatal effects, and as understanding grows it might become an illness that is tragically still deadly but affects very small numbers of people.
     
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  16. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Evidence?

    The government is trying to get us out of lockdown as quickly as possible, they never wanted us to enter in the first place and they're the ones best place to manipulate the figures, so who was trying to do the scaring? Who's inflated the numbers?

    That one statement, makes no sense in the global context.
     
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  17. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately since the ones who have been tested are ones who either showed symptoms, ended up in hospital or were eventually tested in Care Homes and hospital staff, we do not have an accurate figure.
    It's like analysing insurance claims and dissatisfaction of those who claimed. Then quoting those figures from insurance companies and saying that's the global position. What about all the ones who never claimed? Could you say that 25% of the population is dissatisfied with insurance companies? No, not until the whole population was asked.
    We have not tested sufficient people in this country to make any assumptions other than those which pertain to those already affected and tested. They are not a representative sample of the population.
     
  18. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    On sites like the NRS they include any mention of it on the death certificate without testing and the government site has moved towards giving numbers where the virus was tested for.

    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats

    The overall monthly deaths gives a clearer picture and I can assure you I have others in mind.....the sooner the masses are not transmitting an infectious virus the sooner the vulnerable can get out again.

    2 years is a long time to be stuck inside....let's not make it 4 unnecessarily as it is driving folk potty after a few months.
     
  19. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    I do note that in Scotland, 77% of the deaths were people 75 and over. Just saying.

    I read an analysis for England, where the statistical probability of those affected is stated as 7%. Strange to say, the same figure as those who have tested positive in Scotland (from all tested to date) - ie 7%.
     
  20. neilt3

    neilt3 Well-Known Member

    It's not racism , it's an ignorant prejudice .

    Islam is a religion , not a race .

    Anyone can become a Muslim , just as they can become a Christian or Jew .
    Regardless if what you were born into .

    Anyway , I think it's a a load of bull , and you'd need to do more than close all the pubs to dry me out ! :p
     
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