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The iPhone has wiped out the digital camera market (news)

Discussion in 'Smartphone photography' started by plugsnpixels, Feb 14, 2021.

  1. plugsnpixels

    plugsnpixels Well-Known Member

    Just saw this today, though it's been posted in various places over the last few days. I suppose this would apply mainly to non-professional photographers, though there might be some creep into the pro market:

    "Whenever people want to make fun of a stodgy old corporation that couldn’t see the future, they love referencing the camera maker Kodak. But Kodak wasn’t the only old dog taken out by the digital camera revolution: All camera companies have now fallen to the iPhone. Last year, only 9m cameras were sold, down from 122m in 2010, per tech journalist (and Gigamon founder) Om Malik.

    Meanwhile, Apple moved 200m+ iPhones in 2020
    While there are countless other camera-enabled smartphones, the iPhone -- which has sold 1B+ units since launching in 2007 -- clearly leads the pack.

    Here’s how Malik thinks digital cameras will shake out moving forward:

    ·Big players: At <10m units per year, the 4 big digital camera makers (Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony) will be fighting over scraps. Sony is best positioned to thrive, but not as a camera maker: It supplies camera sensors to everyone, including Apple.

    ·Niche players: Super high-end cameras (Leica, Hasselblad, Phase One) will maintain share with pros and super-hobbyists.
    As for Kodak, the company was last in the news for potential insider trading when the Trump administration awarded it $765m to make COVID-related pharmaceuticals."
     
  2. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Not really “news” is it. Someone in need of column inches doing some recycling of old news.
     
  3. plugsnpixels

    plugsnpixels Well-Known Member

    Ongoing trend I guess... ;-)

    Eventually our desktop computers will be phones with peripherals plugged in!
     
  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I'm not surprised that sales have crashed. With tourism down, the big market is no longer there. The question is whether it will return as the current mess is sorted out.
     
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  5. plugsnpixels

    plugsnpixels Well-Known Member

    Good point, and one thing to consider under the stay-at-home restrictions, you'd think long lenses would be more popular. Seriously, I shoot all sorts of things through the window now...
     
  6. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    I do not see serious photography as a hobby dying out anytime soon, nor do I see professionals using anything but a specialist camera.

    However the "casual" market for "Family" cameras will almost certainly continue to move to and be catered for by the camera phone. there is little doubt that the inbuilt Ai provides better, more convenient and shareable results for such users, than any available compact camera.

    New "stand alone" Cameras have already started to increase in price, and are now more in line with the equivalent prices of high end cameras in the 20's and 30's.
    The next phase will be to introduce fewer model at longer intervals as the technology matures.
    Though I doubt it will get to the stage of being able to send your camera back for updating, as you could with the early Leicas.
    Although as camera construction gets more and more modular, there is no reason why it could not be done. though it would need a step change in how profits are generated in the manufacturing industry. But it would have far higher "Green" potentials.

    Even now many models, even between different makes, share components, in the same way computers have done since almost their inception.

    The mass market for image making has very firmly established it self with the camera phone.

    It would seem that the whole concept of a "phone" has changed. the "Phone" part is now a minority function. and it has become a general purpose personal aid. whose major weakness is its battery. Any personal device needs at least a months life, but preferably a year before needing attention. Such an ability would also be a boon for specialist cameras as would terabit capable cards, and constant cloud back up.
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2021
  7. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    I don’t quite get that. Why does it need a months life at least. They can be charged each day and on the move using power banks, USB charging in the car etc. Yes, a bit more life would be good but I personally don’t have a problem with mine.
     
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  8. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Running out of charge at critical times is definitely a weakness.
    My quartz watch needs a change of battery at something over a years use. It is convenient to change the battery on either the summer or winter solstice. It keeps time to around +15 seconds a year.
    Though I have a power bank I rarely use it and I have never charged my phone in the car. I would simply like to be independent of "Charging" what ever the circumstances for the longest possible time.
     
  9. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    But my DSLRs have batteries that only last a day if I'm doing a lot of shooting...I take backups. Just as I would for my phone.
     
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  10. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    As do I, a back up power bank is much the same size of another phone.
    These are things that we put up with because there is no option. Battery and power cell science does not stand still, I expect considerable progress to be made over the next 30 years.
     
  11. lfc1892

    lfc1892 Well-Known Member

    Yes battery science is improving, but so is the demand for charge on the phone. The better the battery gets the more they’ll ask of the phone. Most modern smartphones last just over a day. That’s been the same for many years.

    I’ve never once had a phone run out of charge and use it constantly. I’ve a wireless charger at work, in the car and at home. The phone just sits on the charger instead of the table.
     
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  12. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    I though that Canon may their own (or at least the larger ones).

    Perhaps a camera could be redefined as an improved smartphone with all the boring bits removed.
     
  13. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Well-Known Member

    I just got a Samsung S21 Ultra.

    I'm astonished at the quality of images. And the five cameras include functions for macro, super wide, wide, normal, and telephoto.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    There is no doubt that people love the crisp detail given by the better phone cameras.
    But what they lack is the natural smooth tonal transitions available on larger sensors.
    They also struggle with giving large aperture soft out of focus effects.
     
  15. lfc1892

    lfc1892 Well-Known Member

    Very true. Although, the digitised bokeh on offer from some of the high end phones is getting to a half decent level. Still issues with masking etc but it’s not bad for a snap. Certainly nowhere near a wide open full frame shot
     
  16. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    And to think that I was recently disappointed to see my phone battery life drop from needing a charge every 4 days to every 3, with similar screen time use. Maybe the battery is great because the camera sucks? :rolleyes:
     
  17. Brian

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