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Discussion in 'AP Magazine Feedback & Suggestions' started by 2lude, Nov 11, 2013.

  1. 2lude

    2lude Well-Known Member

    I would greatly appreciate an article outlining used camera equipment of different budgets thats up to date as the tech moves on so fast

    example camera's under £200 under £300 etc......

    its so confusing trying to choose a second hand camera as their is so much choice from relatively new starter camera's (low budget eg cannon 1100d) to older full pro camera's all with similar specs so a breakdown of the second hand market and what you recommend would be great for me
     
  2. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    There was an article rather like that earlier in the year. Problem is that values change fairly quickly, so it doesn't stay up to date for all that long.
     
  3. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Also, there are LOTS of cameras to choose from, and more every month. Besides, we all know that all cameras more than a year or two old are rubbish: the manufacturers' own advertising keeps reminding us.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  4. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Be fair, they're not that negative - they just say how much better the new ones are. Much more effective, actually. ;)
     
  5. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    True. But at what point does "Our new camera is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better" tip over into "Actually, you're an idiot if you keep the previous piece of junk"?

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  6. Fen

    Fen Well-Known Member

    Just like washing detergents!
     
  7. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Oh, they don't quite want you to feel that - because then you might think yourself stupid to have bought the previous one from them, and that might stop the cycle. No, it's about selling the marvellous benefits of the new, and just leaving you somewhat dissatisfied about the old.
     
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Which surely, if you can think straight, must leave you ever so slightly suspicious about the real benefits of the latest product. And of the previous one.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  9. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Therein lies the magic... ;)
     
  10. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    What they say: 'New & improved'

    What they mean: 'Cheaper recipe & more profitable'

    Cynical, moi?!... [​IMG]
     
  11. mark_jacobs

    mark_jacobs Retired

  12. 2lude

    2lude Well-Known Member

    Thankyou for your reply mark and yes i have seen the articles you posted above and have gleemed much information from them what i was meaning was more of a price bracket war if you get what i mean what a brand new photographer can get for various price brackets including lenses.
    Hope you understand my meaning as for me a complete noob to the equipment it would be a interesting perspective of what someone would recommend starting out fresh with no lenses etc..

    I'm personally starting out completely new after the festive period and i have already gleemed a good range of camera's that fit my criteria But i'm hard pressed to find a review from someone in a similar viewpoint as no matter what is in a "expert" review it always gets cluttered up with jargon that a fresh starter does not need or care about. see it as more of a budget challange and what set up you would be happy with given said budget.

    example .
    I have £250 to buy a new camera what would you recommend for someone taking general pictures and pet shoots bare in mind this individual needs lenses as well. so would you choose bridge used dlsr with kit lense or an even older body with better glass etc...

    The same could be done for different budgets and include a perfect cheap starter kit for a teenager or child as well to set them on their way

    Hope all that makes sense and i haven't rambled on too much

    Cheers
    Neil
     
  13. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    That's one of the downsides of photography in that the manufacturers deal in dissatisfaction. I have been racking my brain to come up with another leisure sector that does the same. Hi-fi is a bit different, doesn't quite get there. Woodworking/power tools/DiY? Don't think so. Music - guitars, say? Nope, definitely not. Rather the reverse tends to be true, there.

    Any thoughts?
     
  14. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Oly,

    Motorcycles.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  15. Alex1994

    Alex1994 Well-Known Member

    Can't say I've seen too many ads from the major camera makers that say 'you need to buy our new camera as all our previous ones were crap'! Although since digital, and continual 'progress', that's the implication.

    Other leisure sectors that do the same? Televisions for a start. After encouraging everyone to upgrade to widescreen HD, now they are trying to flog so-called 4K sets.
    The same was true with Blu-ray versus DVD, and DVD versus VHS before that.

    And game consoles, although only every few years. And PCs to a certain extent.

    Oh, and razor blades! ;)
     
  16. Snorri

    Snorri Well-Known Member

    Eos 40D comes to mind, great camera that still holds it own. How much do these go for second hand? Even get a body and look for the newer EF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS II much better than the old version that came on the eos 40D.
     
  17. beatnik69

    beatnik69 Well-Known Member

    Fishing. New rods, reels, lines, fly-tying materials...
     
  18. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    A lot depends on what you intend to achive in photography. For basic happy snapper family events annual holiday type of photography a decent bridge camera may well be enough and you can get a pretty decent one with £250.

    If you intend to get more creative/serious then a bridge camera can be more tricky. While it's possible to acheive good pictures with small sensor cameras (I have managed the odd success at club with my compact) you can start to run into issues when the light gets tricky. Small sensors are more prone to noise as ISO goes up, dynamic range can be limited and resolution can be impaired by the noise reduction whic can limit print sizes and quality. At this point a larger sensor camera such as a DSLR or micro-Four thirds/APS format compact system camera begins to make more sense. You also have the advantage of more specialised lenses designed to do a specific job well as opposed the the one size fits all mega zoom that many bridge cameras carry.

    As for what model of camera that's a case of cutting your cloth to fit. A more recent but more basic model may well offer more pixels and a higher ISO range but it's wrapped generally in a smaller, maybe less robust, body and often cursed with more fiddly controls - you may find that some controls favoured by the more experienced user are either secondary button functions or worse still only accessible through the menu system. All my Canons are/have benn from the double digit series (D30, 20D, 40D) and all feature dual controls for the aperture and shutter plus buttons for all the major paramters I may want to adjust on the fly (metering type, white balance, AF etc). By contrast I also have a NIkon D50 which is much more of an entry model (roughly equivalent to a 3 digit Canon like the 400D) which has only one control wheel and things like the metering type and AF method can only be changed via the menu. Personally I find this a bit frustrating by comparison to the Canons - though I acknowledge that it is partly down to better familiarity with the Canon controls, dobtless if I only had the D50 I'd be more used to it's quirks.

    With regard to lenses it used to be a basic case of glass rules in the days of film since the glass and the film were the principle arbiter of image quality. Today it's not so straightforward as the design of the digital sensor and the processing power behind it are as much a part of the equation as the glass. It's still largely true that good glass on a cheaper camera will give a better result than cheap glass on a good camera but a good camera with a top notch sensor and processing power may well produce a better result from a cheap lens than a cheaper camera could get from the same glass. Ultimately all you can do is try to get the best glass you can within your budget. There's a lot of decent lenses out there at quite reasonable prices but try to avoid the earlier kit lenses as they can be a bit hit and miss quality wise, the later models perform a lot better...
     

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