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Road Tax

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Brian, Oct 19, 2003.

  1. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    i was thinking more along the lines of respect for nature and the old ways, but i gues thats all changed now too

  2. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Maybe true - but at least they're insured!

    Nick BSRIPN
    I am a camera.
  3. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Now? About 80 years ago, I should think!/img/wwwthreads/wink.gif

    Nick BSRIPN
    I am a camera.
  4. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    some shouldnt be allowed to even go near a car!
    I'm never gonna learn to drive, i wouldnt want to become one of those iditos that race up the street when theres kids playing out the front.
    Bring back bobbies on the beat and hanging!
    Oh and conscription, get the louts out of the way!

  5. Brian

    Brian Venerable Elder

    About 80yrs Nick. So that would take us back to infant mortality rates of 20%, mass unemployment, no welfare benefits, means testing for everything, no NHS, a bog at the bottom of the garden, bathnight in a tin tub, crushing poverty and exploitation etc etc etc. Are you really saying that that would make Larry happy?

    Well, there's now't as funny as folks.

    Brian NRIPN
    <a href="http://www.justmono.com"target="_new">justmono<a>
  6. 0

    0 Guest

    > ... but at least they're insured!

    Not necessarily if Brian's original posting is correct! Cyclists (or pedestrians or horseriders) don't contribute to the cost of maintaining the roads because they don't cause any damage to them. They contribute through general taxation, of course, as the "Road Fund Licence" has nothing to do with roads, it's just another tax that's paid for the privilege (not right) to put your car on the public highway.

    As to who are the worse offenders - if a cyclist rides stupidly, he's usually the one most at risk - if a car driver drives badly, the cyclist is still most at risk. And more drivers than cyclists use the roads inconsiderately.

    BTW, I don't condone cyclists riding on pavements or jumping red lights - they should be subject to the law, as should motorists.

    Steve (off the soapbox now/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif)
  7. Canonball

    Canonball Well-Known Member

    It might not make him happy, Brian, but it might stop him whinging. Or maybe he could be happy that he actually had something to whinge about!

  8. Ian_A

    Ian_A Well-Known Member

    I miss the bog at the bottom of my garden, on a clear day you could see the mountains of Wales from there, also you could shoot ducks from the sitting position, as we have a reservoir right in front of it.

    Damn thing fell over in a gale (bog - not reservoir), perhaps I should have secured the door a bit better!

    <img src=http://www.amphot.co.uk/stuff/s2/devil-naughty.gif alt="Naughty Devil!">

    Ian A
  9. Canonball

    Canonball Well-Known Member

    Of course there is a major flaw in your idea, Brian. The same buggers who currently dodge the road fund license probably nick the bloody petrol anyway! /img/wwwthreads/frown.gif

  10. Wheelman

    Wheelman Well-Known Member

    Well it would suit me Brian as I have several vehicles, but can only use one of them at a time. This of course means I am paying several lots of tax for the same amount of use of the roads, and yes this probably does mean that I am paying more than my fair share but it’s MY choice so I am not complaining.

    I am not even sure it would be that much cheaper anyway as one of my cars has a larger engine than the TreVoR ! (and a few more cylinders)

    This matter has come up before amongst my fellow motor sport enthusiasts, and the scenario we envisaged goes something like this.

    Duty is abolished and added to fuel tax. DVLA would however need to maintain a database of vehicles and their registered keepers so that speed camera fines and congestion charging could be administered. This would of course be a free service.

    With rising costs it would seem fair that an administration charge for registering a vehicle should be charged, this would be a nominal £10 per year.

    Inline with inflation and with rising costs the administration charge will regrettably have to be increased to £15

    And within a few years we are back to paying a yearly “administration fee” plus all the extra duty on fuel so we end up scr**** again.

    Now I may be being just a little cynical here, but do you trust the politicians not to do this?

    And on that happy note I am now off to watch some rallying on the box!


    <font color=blue>When you don't know where you are going then any road will do</font color=blue>
  11. Brian

    Brian Venerable Elder

    Morning Colin,

    "am not even sure it would be that much cheaper anyway as one of my cars has a larger engine than the TreVoR ! (and a few more cylinders)"

    I'm not saying it would be cheaper, but it would be fairer because you would only pay for usage. I used to have one of the cars I think you are alluding to

    If it is the same model I'm thinking of then if I only drove it 1200/1400 miles per annum I should only pay about £80 P.A. not the present £165. (V12 5.3ltr Jaguar?. The convertible, which I still think is just about the most beautiful car ever made) Used to have an Interceptor 111 which was worse with fewer cylinders).

    "speed camera fines and congestion charging could be administered. This would of course be a free service."

    No, councils and police authorities can pay for these out of income, there is one speed camera on the M11 which clocks on average 2000 motorists a day, £120,000 per day in fines.

    "but do you trust the politicians not to do this?"

    You kidding?

    All I am doing here is saying that the present system is so unfair.However apart from that my suggestion is to try and cut down on the huge numbers of illegal cars at present being used on our roads.

    Brian NRIPN
    <a href="http://www.justmono.com"target="_new">justmono<a>
  12. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    "So what's the logic of small cars, then?"

    Population control.......or training space for



    It's amazing what one can do when one doesn't know what one is doing!/img/wwwthreads/wink.gif
  13. tommyhashbrown

    tommyhashbrown Well-Known Member

    I used to dream of an outside toilet when my dad was beating me with barbed wire after my 27 hour shift at the mill

    but we was 'appy Brian....
  14. Brian

    Brian Venerable Elder

    Sitting on the bog looking at the mountains of Wales, best way to see them Ian. I note in the Times today that the area having the highest use of anti-depressants in the U.K. is Wales, now why doesn't this surprise me?


    Brian NRIPN
    <a href="http://www.justmono.com"target="_new">justmono<a>
  15. linnet9

    linnet9 Well-Known Member

    It doesn't surprise you coz they are sandwiched between the Irish and the English /img/wwwthreads/wink.gif
    How about an article on gin now Bri??????
  16. Brian

    Brian Venerable Elder

    "How about an article on gin now Bri??????"

    Don't know a lot about gin Janice, I only drink it /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif

    But reading the article re depressant drugs made me depressed. £381 million per year!!!!!! Blimey, that money could be used for so many, far more worthwhile things. We could double M.P.s pay and pension for a start. Then every two years we could build another millenium dome. Or we could make gin available on the NHS, now there's a thought.

    It would even go a long way to subsidising Nick and Geoff in their addiction./img/wwwthreads/wink.gif

    Brian NRIPN
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  17. Ian_A

    Ian_A Well-Known Member

    >the area having the highest use of anti-depressants in the U.K. is Wales

    I wouldn't know about that - but I did hear on the radio some time ago that Yorkshire farmers have a choice of six different flavours of barrel when they buy a shotgun nowdays ...</p>

    Ian A
  18. Wheelman

    Wheelman Well-Known Member

    Not the Jag Brian although nearly! I was offered one cheap but never pursued it.

    Did have some fun with a mates XJ12C as Chase/RI car at Goodwood though!

    No it’s German with a blue and white badge, a 750il beemer.

    It was offered to me at a stupid price with some mechanical problems, which we fixed and serves as our bit of luxury. Well I can’t see me paying out 120K for a new one even if I won the Lottery.

    It manages to average about 18 to the gallon with more on a run and down to about 15 towing, which is one of the reasons we got it. It does make a very good tow car other than you are prone to forget it’s got a car and trailer on the back as it doesn’t seem to make any difference to it!


    <font color=blue>When you don't know where you are going then any road will do</font color=blue>
  19. eryri

    eryri Well-Known Member

    I'm in favour of adding road tax to petrol prices, but there are plenty of ways of raising more revenue. For example, at the moment caravans, horse-boxes, boat trailers etc do not have to be taxed, tested or insured, despite the fact they take up space on the road, cause wear and tear to the surface, and have brakes, lights, suspension, tyres etc.

    IMHO, anyone with a tow bar fitted should pay more road tax, say an extra £50. In addition, ALL trailers should be tested and insured.

    In addition, thousands of people drive their cars and lorries over here from the continent every year and never pay a penny in road tax. Adding it to petrol would alleviate this problem.

    BTW, the principle of paying more for something just because you can is nonsense! Taking it to it's logical conclusion would mean the price of a loaf of bread or tin of beans would vary depending on your income!

  20. phiggy

    phiggy Well-Known Member

    Oh well here goes

    1. Police checks can be carried out on any vehicle that they care to check on via radio to DVLA.
    It will tell them If the registration belongs to that vehicle,if it has a current MOT,insurance,road tax and who it is registered to.
    If they dont check out they can pull the motorist to find out who is driving and why.

    2. The Deputy PM 2 Jags or more isnt going to penalise himself now is he?
    Even if he can claim back the expenses at our cost!

    3. Why should'nt caravan owners make an extra contribution for dragging around a traffic congesture.
    They should also be made to take a driving test pulling a caravan.
    And should not be allowed on the road during rush hours.

    4. Why do police no longer bother when cylists?
    It appears that they no longer need to know the highway code,use hand signals, have lights fitted, can ride on pavements etc.

    It makes you bloody angry so I will finsh there for now as I am getting

    phigged OFF!

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