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Poll - If you haven’t gone mirrorless yet, what’s holding you back?

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Liam Clifford, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. Liam Clifford

    Liam Clifford Active Member

    Take part in this week's poll.
  2. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    Well - I did it the other way around. When I got back into photography I invested in the Fuji X series (X-T1 and X-Pro1). After a while with this kit, I decided that they were just too small for me to hold comfortably in my huge paws and so I moved on to Nikon full frame. I still have the Fuji kit and take it for the occasional outing (but not if I think it's going to involve pictures of trees - I'm still not convinced that the X-T1 doesn't freak out completely at the thought of producing a RAW file with foliage in it!).

    Cheers, Jeff
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  3. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Lots of reasons, but one of the biggest is my struggle with EVFs. It's about the only remnant of my balance disorder, but EVFs literally make me sick. Plenty of other reasons - several of my most-used lenses simply don't have a mirrorless equivalent, there isn't a full frame mirrorless from a company I trust, it would cost a fortune to replace my lenses and at the end of the day, I'm more than happy with DSLRs. I do have an EOS M3 and several lenses, and a full-spectrum converted M; I use them to compliment my SLR kit. But one thing that annoys me immensely is when idiot reviewers slate a camera because it doesn't have a built-in EVF. For people like me, that would simply add unnecessary cost and weight for no benefit. Why reviewers seem to think that they know better than customers and manufacturers is beyond me; this particular issue is deeply unhelpful.
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  4. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    I was a strong advocate of fourthirds but they were obviously dropping DSLRs in favour of mFT ( like Jeff I also have big paws) and when one adds the cost of grips etc. to the basic price the bottom end FF models are competitive on price with mFT. Anyway when I wanted to photograph the Northern Lights I thought I deserved a new camera and bought a 6D - I have never regretted that decision but I did keep my SHG lenses for when I get old and doddery and need a smaller camera..

    P.S. The Olympus E6 usually comes out for telephoto shots as the crop factor adds so much extra reach. When the green woodpeckers are hunting ants on my lawn I keep the Oly near a window with a 140-600 (equivalent) permanently attached.
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2017
  5. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    What poll? Nothing shows up in IE11...
  6. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    The first step towards dealing with IE11 is to admit that you've got IE11.

    Well done.

    Cheers, Jeff
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  7. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

    I went mirrorless along time ago LOL

    Funny enough I am not mirrorless at the moment using a Sony A58 LOL

    More non-dSLR. As I do own and have used film SLR LOL

    There's no option that fits me so can't vote :(
  8. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    It was a blank page for ages on my ipad.

    It's mainly about the EVF. I have a Fuji outfit, bought for when space is limited. The end results are fine, very good even. It just isn't as nice to use as my SLR kit by any measure.
  9. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    My main cameras have been mirrorless for decades -- Leicas!

    So why would I bother with small formats for which I don't have lenses?

    And, to rephrase what Nick says, there's always the seasickness factor with EVFs.


  10. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    I have been mirrorless for a few years now so am not in a position to vote... While I still have a DSLR I have not used it since getting first my first Fuji X camera.
    However just like no DSLR is perfect for everything, nor is any mirrorless.

    My already shaky hands are not helped by mirror flap, Nor does my spondylitis respond well to the size, and particularly weight, of the better DSLR kits.

    Mirrrorless style compacts and system cameras have proved their worth, with the quality of their images and general portability.
    The Fuji XT2 is pretty much on par with any top range non specialist DSLR. And in almost all respects the New Sony A9 matches or exceeds the specifications of any Sports oriented DSLR.

    It is true that very long telephoto wide aperture lenses are not yet available in native fittings for any mirrorless camera, but the range of lenses that are already available are of exceptional quality and definition, and their wide angles do not need to made as massive retrofocus designs, in the same way that has hindered those for DSLR's... Saying that,the Fuji 100-400 lens, which is equivalent to a 600mm on Full Frame, is no slouch, and with the 1.4 extender is equivalent to an 840mm lens.
    The speed and accuracy of focus and tracking, has improved to the point where it is in line with the equivalent DSLR cameras, and it has the advantage of not needing calibrating for individual lens body combinations.

    Within a very few years from now, while there may be one or two specialist DSLR cameras still made, the market will have moved almost entirely mirrorless.
    More to the point, Photographers will have no reason to lament the passing of, what is without doubt the most clunky and restrictive device ever invented.

    Mirrorless cameras have by and large inherited focal plane shutters and their inherent limitations for flash use. And the alternative electronic shutter has distortion problems of their own. which will no doubt be overcome by further development in sensors, and the way in which the data is captured for read out.
    These are problems that DSLRS were never able to address.

    The king is dead... long live the King.
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2017
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  11. Dorset_Mike

    Dorset_Mike Grumpy Old Fart

    I wanted to click 2 answers, DSLR does all I want, but I couldn't add too expensive which would also apply.
  12. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Same for me - I wanted an 'All the above button'.
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  13. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    It is not yet a crime to use a DSLR anymore than it is a crime to use a petroleum powered automobile.
    I use both and I am not changing my ways.
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  14. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

    Of course it's not a crime to use a dSLR, you shoot with whatever you are happy with :)

    I personally though would only use a OVF when shooting film. :)

    But at the moment it's not a crime to use a hydro carbon vehicles on the public highway, in the future probably will be :eek:
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  15. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    Changing from one camera system to another is expensive - even more so with Fuji because of the ridiculous price of the lenses and the very limited choice thereof. We should encourage people with funds to buy the latest 'must have' fashion-victim stuff, so that there will also be a good supply of mint used stuff for everybody else.
  16. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Changing systems might be expensive but people do it all the time. They happily switch between Nikon and Canon and back again as fast as a fiddlers elbow, totally disdaining the cost.
    Equally they will switch between full fame and the various crops with hardly a thought.
    Some are now switching back and fourth between mirrorless and DSLR.
    This switching is the lifeblood of the trade in cameras, both new ones and second hand...and long may it continue.
    Expense is certainly not a real factor stopping people move to mirrorless.
    Photography is like Love, when there is a will there is a way.

    Fuji lenses only seem expensive because the do not have a large range of entry level lenses. They do have one lower cost mid range zoom and one lower spec standard zoom, but those are the the exception to the rule. Their kit 18-55 f2.8/4 lens is offered on all except their lowest spec cameras. It is a mid price lens but of the very highest image quality.
  17. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Why should I want to go mirrorless?

  18. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Terry,

    Well, amateurs do, anyway. Professionals, not so much. Generally it comes down to a mixture of what everyone else was using when they started (for ease of hire and so assistants can borrow their gaffers' kit) and pure chance. Are Nikons better than Canons? Dunno, because I've used Nikons for 40+ years -- but I will say that (a) Nikon didn't suddenly change to an incompatible lens mount and (b) Canon has nothing faintly resembling the Df, both of which reasons make me happy that I chose Nikon.


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  19. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Absolutely... I tended to add to my kit when I needed to do something that my existing kit could not do. I rarely changed or got rid of anything. However I was never into 35mm for work. so I could reasonably go Olympus for my happy snaps.

    It seems to me Professionals rely on amateurs to keep up a high turnover of cameras, from which they benefit in two ways. Firstly, the scale of their purchases helps keep the prices down. and secondly, they are a ready market of obsolescent high end kit.
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  20. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Terry,

    Yes indeed. From a professional point of view, adding (as opposed to changing) is the key word. Which is how so many of us ended up with so much kit, usually cross-compatible.

    Once I asked Linhof and Professional (while they were still in London) how their sales were split between professionals (I've used Linhofs for around 40 years) and dentists and other well-to-do amateurs. They said, "About 50/50".

    I've never bought a new Linhof, and I currently own three...



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