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October, 2007 - FirstView Comments

Discussion in 'FirstViews [Archive]' started by huwevans, Oct 1, 2007.

  1. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    This thread is for comments and discussion arising from October's FirstView pictures.
  2. Dave_Cox

    Dave_Cox Well-Known Member


    I've entered a pic in every firstview so far, but I've just finished one shift, quick bite and back out again so no photo this month. I promise I'll do better in November!!
  3. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    Re: Sorry


    There is only one penalty for failure in this organization, Number 3. Make sure it does not happen again.

  4. Monobod

    Monobod Phantom of the forum

    Re: Sorry

    Hope your not having back problems Lisa, or if you are, that things are better after the visit. Or are you the dispenser perhaps? :)
  5. mjc7uk

    mjc7uk Well-Known Member

    Re: Sorry

    D'oh! Forgot it's 1st of the month yesterday, but then that's one bad photo less on the forum... <Whistle...> :rolleyes: :D
  6. mike_j

    mike_j Well-Known Member

    Re: Sorry

    I've started so I'll finish. Only two to do. Not wholly convinced about the value of the exercise though.
  7. ermintrude

    ermintrude Hinkypuff

    Re: Sorry

    Eh? :D Pourquoi? And pourquioi are you entering if you dont like it, (no offence)?
  8. lisadb

    lisadb Well-Known Member

    Re: Sorry

    Hi David,

    no I wasn't having any 'problems' as such but I go once a month for a pummeling which stops me having problems with my back, which has a tendency to seize up at the most inconvenient times. Lisa.
  9. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    APChris - yep, nice plumbing, but it ain't finished 'til it's finished - get that earth-bonding done! ;-)
  10. APchris

    APchris Well-Known Member

    It's already been done elsewhere so doesn't need it under the sink :rolleyes: - I think?
    Electrician is comming monday to connect the cooker so I'll check with him anyway. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
  11. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    I'm pretty sure you've got to do it at every sink, bath, etc. - across the hot and cold, and bridging that plastic connector. (Not sure about the flexi-pipes - you might need to bridge those as well.) But anyway, as you say, the electrician should be able to confirm one way or t'other. Anyway, it's a pretty small job compared to the plumbing. :)
  12. APchris

    APchris Well-Known Member

    Hmmm... will definitely check with the electrician . If it does need doing, it'll be his job as it's already bought and paid for! :D
  13. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    The Picture thread is now closed. As per usual, if there are any latecomers the thread can be reopened for posting. Unlike usual, you might need to pm another mod for this, as I'm just away on holiday this weekend.

    Thanks to all participants. :)
  14. Benchmark

    Benchmark Well-Known Member

    Tis correct, and is called 'Equipotential Earth Bonding'.

    Hot and cold taps must be bonded with a minimum 6 mm2 cross section cable, so that any leakage to earth will a) blow a fuse, and b) cannot create a dangerous voltage between any two fittings that might be handled at the same time with wet hands. The rules also apply if plastic pipes are used.

    The earth terminal on any socket outlets near to the sink should also be bonded to pipework with 6mm cable for the same reasons.
  15. Mojo_66

    Mojo_66 Well-Known Member

    Oohh, missed it, I was away. Sure I must have taken a pic though, I'll keep an eye out for it reopening. ;)
  16. IvorETower

    IvorETower Little Buttercup

    I took a few photos on 30 September but none on 1 October :-(
  17. Scphoto

    Scphoto Well-Known Member

    Maybe it's an idea for next year: LastViewâ„¢
  18. APchris

    APchris Well-Known Member

    Re: Earth bonding update

    huwevans said...

    and Benchmark said...

    Well, your not wrong... but the electrician says that regulations change in January and I only need earth bonding at or close to the point the water main enters the property.

    The plumber that installed the gas cooker said earth bonding was needed at the gas connection behind the cooker, but again, the electrician said its no longer needed as long as the gas pipe is earthed at or near the the point the feed enters the property.

    If the electrician is happy, the so am I. He wants to use his installation at my property for his annual NAPIT (National Association of Professional Inspectors and Testers) assesment, so he'll not be cutting any corners!
  19. Benchmark

    Benchmark Well-Known Member

    Re: Earth bonding update

    That's interesting. There must be a 17th edition book of IEE regs out there. :D I'll have to update myself.

    Regardless of the regs, I would always earth bond anyway. It cannot do any harm, and you are always safer with proper earth bonding than without.

    What suprises me is how few so called 'electrical engineers' really understand electricity, and the reasoning behind for the IEE regs. We had an issue at our parish church, where a new distribution board had been fitted, and the circuit breakers were all tripping because their current ratings were too low.

    When we called a meeting with the Oberleutnant, it transpired he was not aware that the current rating for Pyrotenax cable (mineral insualted copper cable) is much higher than for normal PVC insulated cables, and that these are actually intended to run warm. Also, that the maximum current rating for circuit breakers is higher than for wired fuses when protecting the same circuit (so called close current protection).

    He defended himself by saying that the voltage drop along the cable would increase the current drawn by the electric heaters, light bulbs and so forth at the end of the cable. Err?...... :D

    Ohms Law anyone? :)
  20. bigsky

    bigsky Well-Known Member

    Re: Earth bonding update

    Yep there is, not officially out yet i believe, but the 17th are on their way


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