Doesn't that last statement dictate the D3200 instead of the D3100? The 600D is still classed as a "mid range" camera whereas the D3200 is in the "beginners" category. It's a confusing issue which I think simply begs the question 'Is a Canon kit lens better than a Nikon kit lens?' I don't think there is any doubt that the Nikon is a better body, but if it is let down by optics and this can only be cured by purchasing expensive lenses which I cannot afford at present, I would go with better optics. Unfortunately this can possibly only be answered by someone who has both which is an unlikely scenario. I was definitely erring towards the Canon. Thanks Tommy - back to square one!