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New entry level DSLR

Discussion in 'Pentax Chat' started by mattie, Jun 9, 2004.

  1. mattie

    mattie Well-Known Member

    Hi all

    Saw this posted on dpreview
    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0406/04060601pentax900dslr.asp

    Looks like it'll be priced around the £700 mark. Not sure if this is common knowledge, it's the first official mention I've heard (note the comment stating that this has been confirmed by Pentax USA).

    Matt
     
  2. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    Morning Mattie,

    Our Pentax rep was in today and confirmed that the camera is indeed coming
    and that it will -- unbelievably -- be smaller than the IST*D camera and, other
    than that, disclosure laws took over<img src="/img/wwwthreads/frown.gif">. But, as more (confirmed) information becomes available I shall pass it on. Also, he said they have some interesting compact digi's coming down the pipe.

    <img src="/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif">

    Jack

    It's amazing what one can do when one doesn't know what one is doing!<img src="/img/wwwthreads/wink.gif">
     
  3. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    ...it will -- unbelievably -- be smaller than the IST*D camera...

    What is it with Pentax (and sadly one or two other makers) and their obsession with making their cameras ever more microscopic?

    Having looked at some of the current Pentax's I reckon they're already far too small to be used comfortably and with control and I don't even have large hands.

    While it true that familiarity with a camera helps I did find that all the controls felt fiddly and far too cramped.

    And as for most of these digital compacts and psuedo-slrs........they're even worse!

    Nigel IRIPN

    I've gone digital....
    ...I've learnt to count on my fingers! <img src="/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif">
     
  4. mattie

    mattie Well-Known Member

    "Having looked at some of the current Pentax's I reckon they're already far too small to be used comfortably and with control and I don't even have large hands.
    "

    I've got an MZ-3 and I've had to buy the Battery grip just to be able to hold it properly - I would argue that this has at least something to do with the shape of the body (it's very flat, with nothing to really 'grab hold of'), but it really is far too small. I would also suggest that if they made the body a bit bigger they might even be able to fit a faster winder motor or, heaven forbid, improve the AF motor. My girlfriend has a PZ-1p and it's a really comfortable shape, if only Pentax would use this as the basis for a range of cameras.....

    I've only held an EOS-1 once, and it really was quite a brick, but surely there's a good intermediate size?

    I reckon Pentax's ambition with all these small cameras is to sell the camera at a competitive price but then make everyone have to buy £80 battery grips. Well, it worked on me.

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  5. mattie

    mattie Well-Known Member

    Hi Jack

    Smaller than the *istD? That's going some, what are they leaving out?

    Echoing Nigel's comments later, I really don't understand why there is a need to reduce the size and weight of cameras so much, they're getting to the stage where they're actively awkward to use. Saving on the shipping costs perhaps?

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  6. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    The EOS-30 is a nice size as is the older 5. I have an EOS10 which is probably the most comfortable camera I've ever had in my hands and the 600's not far behind. On the other hand I've handled the 300V which is equally far too small, at the risk of sounding like an unreconstructed chauvinist I'm afraid it's a bit of a "girly camera"

    Yes the EOS1 types, and equally Nikon's F4 & 5, are enormous bricks but that because they're pro machines where reliability and speed of operation are paramount so the motors have to be big and tough and keep going when lesser bodies have gone to the great darkroom in the sky...............

    Nigel IRIPN

    I've gone digital....
    ...I've learnt to count on my fingers! <img src="/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif">
     
  7. johnmcd

    johnmcd Well-Known Member

    I completley dissagree, the smaller the better, thats one of the main reasons people buy Pentax IMHO.
     
  8. mattie

    mattie Well-Known Member

    But surely within reason, and without making it uncomfortable? I would suggest that some people might buy a certain make as they find the camera comfortable and, more importantly, easy and quick to use - this will of course be different for each person, hence some may prefer smaller cameras and some large. I do prefer lightweight cameras to heavy ones, but I really do struggle with the size, I just cannot grip my MZ-3 properly and if there is a long lens on it I have to use the battry grip just to get some leverage. I would gladly sacrifice some size reduction just to be able to comfortably hold it.

    I think you're right that some people would buy Pentax as they want a small camera, however I would suggest that a lot of people would buy Pentax as you could (until the MZ-50 and *ist, plus one more I'm unsure of) use absolutely any bayonet-fit lens from previous eras with the full lens functionality. I'm not absolutely certain, but I gather no other manufacturer can boast this claim. It's certainly one of the key reasons I went with Pentax.

    As an aside, many manufacturers make a play of small size, something which Minolta have been plugging for a while. I don't think Pentax are unique in this regard, however they don't have a tank of a pro camera, such as the EOS-1v or F5, but you could argue they don't have an equivalent camera of that quality at all - the PZ-1p only really compares with the early EOS-1 (to which the PZ-1p was admittedly much more compact), however it is really nothing like the newer versions, for which Pentax has no direct comparison.

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  9. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    ......people would buy Pentax as you could (until the MZ-50 and *ist, plus one more I'm unsure of) use absolutely any bayonet-fit lens from previous eras with the full lens functionality.........

    I thought the *ist (and *ist-D) was functional with all K-bayonet lenses? Some of the modern functions (eg fancy multi segment metering) may not fully work with older lenses but I though that you can still get a metered exposure with any K-lens?

    Nikon used to be able to legitimately boast that their cameras were compatible with virtually all their past F-mount lenses but sadly this is no longer true as many of the recent AF Nikons do not meter at all with older MF lenses (though to be fair they will still take an image if you use a handheld meter). However if you have shedloads of money to spend then the F5 and, IIRC, the D2H are compatible with all but some of the most obscure and specialist Nikkors.

    Nigel CRIPN

    I've gone digital....
    ...I've learnt to count on my fingers! <img src="/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif">
     
  10. Wilko

    Wilko Well-Known Member

    I think you're right, even non AI.
    and F90X works with most Nikon lenses except G type without the aperture ring.
    If you've got that many lenses to worry about, I suppose you'd have an F5 or a D2H anyway

    <b>Graham</b> IRIPN
     
  11. mattie

    mattie Well-Known Member

    I may stand to be corrected on this, but I thought that one of the early *istD firmware updates allowed for k-series lenses (sorry, I've been referring to them incorrectly as m-series) to be used, an update which I would suggest can't be done for the film-based version. I have never used one, so I couldn't say for definite, you may be correct. As for multi-segment metering, I don't think any camera can do that with k-series lenses. My MZ-3 and PZ-1p can't, but I haven't really used that many other Pentax cameras.

    As for Nikon, one of my friends has an F65 (in itself a good, entry/mid level camera) and he has said that a lot of lenses can't be used, most frustratingly I have a pretty good Tamron adaptall 200mm he wanted to use with the Nikon adapter for older lenses (it came from a friend who had a 20 year old Nikon stolen, I don't know model name), but it wouldn't work. I'm not sure how far back this incompatibilty goes, as you state it may just be for the new range of AF cameras, and it might just be for the cheaper camera bodies. In this respect, only two of Pentax's cheaper bodies (the MZ-50 and, I think the MZ-60) can't use old lenses whereas the incompatibility appears to go much further up the range with Nikon - both the F90x and F5 are serious bits of kit.

    Anyway, all I can state with any accuracy is that I have an MZ-3 that can use any Pentax bayonet fit lens with the exception of the new (FAJ?) lenses with no aperture ring, which is a godsend for someone on a limited budget and for those who build their lens range over a long period. This benefit also extends for all Pentax cameras except for 2 that I'm aware of (I defer to your better judgement of the *ist issue), something that Nikon currently cannot do. It's a bit annoying that the new FAJ lenses won't work on the MZ-3, but that's progress I'm afraid.

    Cheers

    Matt
     
  12. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    Re: New entry level DSLR :(

    Just received the 'new' Pentax price pages and the only DSLR they have is
    still the IST*D...so unless they're planning a sneak attack at PhotoKina?

    <img src="/img/wwwthreads/smile.gif">

    Jack

    Life is a Photo-Op
     
  13. cgproudfoot

    cgproudfoot Well-Known Member

    Re: New entry level DSLR :(

    Jack,

    Looks like you will need to buy an *isD !! Just got back from Sicily. Great place ! Mainly used *istD with 16-45mm, but found F 70-210 a useful partner. I may even look to updating with F2.8 version, but probably expensive.

    Also used PZ-1 with A 15mm f3.5 for a couple of rolls. Thise wide angles make a difference!

    Will post some photos when I have had time to catch up. Just finished MBA Part 1 exam today so been busy !

    Chris
     
  14. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    Re: New entry level DSLR :(

    "Looks like you will need to buy an *isD !! "

    Morning Chris,

    I was just thinking that myself after seeing some photo's taken with the IST*D by a fellow in Taiwan along with the fact that there is no info about the new
    Pentax DSLR anywhere/img/wwwthreads/frown.gif.

    I look forward to seeing some of the photo's from your trip and I suspect that when I pick up the DSLR I shall purchasing a DA 14/2.8 to appease my W/A fix/img/wwwthreads/wink.gif.

    /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif

    Jack

    Life is a Photo-Op
     
  15. cgproudfoot

    cgproudfoot Well-Known Member

  16. cgproudfoot

    cgproudfoot Well-Known Member

  17. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    Re: Here's One

    Morning Chris,

    Two(2) really great shots and had an Aussie come in the store this
    morning looking for a DA 16-45/4 and, of course, we are sold out of
    them but I was able to send him to a shop down the stret who had the
    lens. Of course, then he proceeded to tell me about some great shots
    he got while out whale watching and then I got an email from a lad at
    Pentax gently pushing me toward IST*D.

    /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif

    Jack

    Life is a Photo-Op
     
  18. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    Re: Hmmm.....

    ............the infamous red cross..................probably one of those sites that blocks hot linking I'm afraid............/img/wwwthreads/frown.gif

    Nigel CRIPN

    You don't have to be mad to come here....
    ...but if you do...you are! /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif
     
  19. Done_rundleCams

    Done_rundleCams AP Forum Ambassador to Canada

    Re: Hmmm.....Here it is....YeeHaww

    Here ya go Nigel,

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    /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif

    Jack

    Life is a Photo-Op
     
  20. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    Re: Hmmm.....Here it is....YeeHaww

    Evenin' Jack..........

    That really <font color=red>X</font color=red>'s me off....................../img/wwwthreads/wink.gif

    Nigel CRIPN

    You don't have to be mad to come here....
    ...but if you do...you are! /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif
     

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