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Minolta Dynax 5 or 505Si???

Discussion in 'Sony Chat' started by niallthealy, Jan 20, 2003.

  1. niallthealy

    niallthealy Member

    Hi,
    At present I have a Canon 500n Slr which I find to be crap!!!! I also have a very old Minolta 5000AF which is about 12 years old and the majority of the pictures from this camera are of astounding quality.
    So I am now going to sell the CANON and purchase a new Minolta system but I am torn between the Minolta Dynax 5 and the 505si????
    Anyone have any experience with either of these cameras.
    Any help would be very much appreciated.
    I am also thinking about the Nikon F65????
     
  2. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    If you think the Canon is crap, wait 'til you try the Nikon! It's shite!
    The two best cameras in this area of the market right now are the Dynax 5 and the Canon EOS 300V. The 505 is long discontinued.
    But before you buy a new camera, what is the problem you're having with the Canon? If it's optical, it may make more sense to buy one or more better lenses. Would I be right in guessing that you're using a 50mm lens on the Minolta, and a zoom that came as a kit with the Canon? Because if so, the remedy is VERY simple - just buy a Canon 50mm f1.8, at well under £100. If the optics are fine but you don't like the metering, then you might find it cheaper to keep your lenses and get the 300V body-only (the metering is second to none). Only if you don't like both is it worth changing systems, and it's worth handling all the competitiors in the shop before making a decision. Personally, I find the Dynax 5 too small to be comfortable, but it's a matter of opinion.
    Also, I'm not absolutely certain as to the degree of compatability between the 5000AF and current Dynax lenses.

    Nick BSRIPN
     
  3. BigWill

    BigWill Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff

    Agree with Nick! Don't even look at the F65, it's the biggest pile of dog pooh Nikon ever produced! If you want a nice AF Nikon go for the F80.

    Lens choice is crucial to any SLR and if you're using cheap kit zooms then the results will be crap.

    BigWill

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  4. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    the 500n crap, surely not!The EOS series has probably the best metering system going and the quietest fastest AF.

    Of the 2 minoltas, get the 5!Wouldnt mind one meself!

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  5. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    <i>Don't even look at the F65, it's the biggest pile of dog pooh Nikon ever produced! </i>
    the second biggest, the F55 is the top dog,key word, dog!

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  6. RonM

    RonM Alpha Napper

    Niall,

    As a Minolta user I would recomend the 5, it is state of the art has an extremely fast AF system and an excellent metering capabillity. It should be OK with your older Minolta lenses, Non Minolta units might be a bit of a problem, however I would recomend that you take in your 'old' lenses and check them out on the camera in the shop.
    If you are going to go for a kit and if you can afford it get the 24 - 105 f/3.5 - 4.5 D lens as all reports rate it as a very good lens plus it will allow you to use the 5s' ADI flash system (realy good).
    As with all the others the Nikon F65 is a pile of pooh don't go near it.
    If you have any more questions feel free to ask away. And welcome to the forum.

    <font color=blue>RonM IRIPN</font color=blue>
    Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film.
     
  7. Haybee

    Haybee Well-Known Member

    Hi Niall

    Go for the Dynax 5---not that I'm biased, mind /img/wwwthreads/smile.gif

    AB
     
  8. niallthealy

    niallthealy Member

    Guys,
    A major discussion going on.I appreciate all of the help and yes it is a 50mm lens that I have on the Minolta 5000AF .
    Do any of you feel that the Minolta system is the best on the market and if so would it be reasonabel to go for the 505si rather than the Dynax 5, as the dynax 5 is a little bit too small and light when holding it?
    I feel that I may well go for the Dynax 5
    Thanks

    Niall "minolta crazy"
     
  9. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    There's no such thing as a "best" system, but if there was, it would be Canon or Nikon in the world of AF (oh, all right then, it's Canon&lt;img src="/img/wwwthreads/wink.gif"&gt;). Minolta is very good, though, as is Pentax - any of them are more than good enough for anybody with "normal" requirements. It's only for real pro use, or more usefully if you want Image Stabilised lenses that the Canon advantage really wins. That and the fact that they're developing a broad range of digital SLRs using the same lens mount.
    The 505 is an OK sort of camera, but in no way an improvement on your EOS 500N - you would simply be throwing your money away. Like I said, the quickest and cheapes way to better quality lies in getting some prime lenses for your Canon, and throwing the kit zoom away. If you buy a Minolta with a kit zoom, you'll get just as bad results as the Canon. The camera is only important in as far as it gets a well-exposed result - it's the lenses that matter, and spending your money on a new camera body to the detriment of lenses is quite simply a pointless waste of time and money. Trust me, I've made that mistake myself. It's very tempting to buy a new camera (I've got dozens, if not hundreds), but it won't improve your pictures. Better lenses will. It's clear that the better results you get from the ancient Minolta are simply down to it having the better lens - that's not because Minolta lenses are generally better (or worse) than Canon, just that it's a prime and not a cheap zoom. So my advice is actually non-partisan, but simply common sense: spend £79 (Mifsud's new price, somewhat less if you buy second-hand) on the Canon 50mm f1.8, and watch the quality improve. Then you'll realise how little impact the camera body has on the result. If you REALLY want a zoom lens, then there's the 28-135 F3.5/5.6 IS USM (SPECIAL PRICE, LIMITED STOCK £329 also at Mifsud's - their capitalisiation). This is a pretty decent zoom, but has the huge benefit of an image stabiliser, and that's something that only Canon do at a sensible price (and Minolta not at all).
    Your call, it's your money to spend as you see fit - but honestly, spending it on a cameraq body rather than a lens would be madness IMO.

    Oh, and if you already had any other make of camera, my advice would still be to spend the money on lenses.

    Nick BSRIPN
     
  10. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    &lt;i&gt;So my advice is actually non-partisan, but simply common sense: spend £79 (Mifsud's new price, somewhat less if you buy second-hand) on the Canon 50mm f1.8, and watch the quality improve&lt;/i&gt;

    which is exactly what i did after advice from these lot, and I'm glad I did!

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  11. MickL

    MickL Well-Known Member

    I'm a dedicated (and biased) Minolta user - moreover one who reckons that the likes of Canon and Nikon are over-hyped tremendously. In my opinion the Minolta 9 (top of their range) is as good as anything on the market.

    Having got that off my chest I have to say that I agree with Nick in his previous post. The camera body really doesn't make a fat lot of difference to the quality of the final picture. You would be far better off buying some top prime lenses (even Canon ones!!!)

    Having said what I did at the beginning (about Minolta) I also have to agree with Nick about the image stabilisation lenses from Canon - and also the availability of the interchangable lens dSLR (all for the future for you probably). Just remember that continued investment in one system will probably lock you into that system. I had a lot of gear stolen a while back and considered changing from Minolta but when I worked out the replacement cost of the apparently insignificant items (cable releases, extension tubes, flash guns etc) there was no way that I could change even though the cost of the body and some lenses was being met by insurance.

    MickL
     
  12. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    Yea, i wouldnt mind a Dynax 9, or a 7. theres something about minoltas that i really like.

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  13. BigWill

    BigWill Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff

    Minolta cameras and lenses are as good as any manufacturer currently on the market. It's a matter of whether you happen to like the handling and ergonomics of their gear which will ultimately decide whether you go for them or another make. You certainly won't be disappointed if you take the Minolta route. They are excellent!

    Big(and this coming from a Canon user!)Will

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  14. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    I don't disagree that the cameras are excellent - and so are the lenses, and the wireless flash system. One of my favourite cameras was made by Minolta, I'm trying to buy a Minolta scanner, and I always liked manual focus Minoltas. I only say the Canon and Nikon systems are better because they're broader, not because of the individual quality of any of the components. And that's the only reason I would recommend Canon - because you are locked in once you've bought a few items - part exchange is a mug's game - and the Canon system as it currently stands simply offers more. The Dynax 5,7 and 9 are all excellent cameras, in no way inferior to any of the competition. It's just that I've seen at first hand the benefits of image stabilisation, and I want an "upgrade" path into digital - which means Canon, or possibly Nikon. I'm rather afraid that Minolta and Pentax are in danger of being left behind.

    Nick BSRIPN
     
  15. BigWill

    BigWill Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff

    .....too true!

    .......what the hell are Minolta and Pentax thinking about! They both have their fingers up their arse when it comes to digital and it's about time they got their shit together or suffer the consequences of being left behind in the digital (SLR in particular) race. Very disappointing from both companies. All we keep hearing is promises promises!

    BigWill

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  16. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    but Canon stole the lead in the AF market cos their cameras are the best at focusing. It used to be Nikon at the top, now strangely its Canon. My gf noted that, how come Canon are at the top these days she asked.

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  17. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    theyre just so,,,,sexy!
    the big ones, the 7 and 9 are nice and knobbly, big knobs.

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  18. BigWill

    BigWill Gorgeous oversensitive Nikon-loving cream puff

  19. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    im here, immlistening
    you speak for yourself as regars big knobs!
    as for the 600si, i think it was that one or the 800si that i wanted a while ago.

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  20. MickL

    MickL Well-Known Member

    Although I began my last post by riding my 'hobby horse' about Minolta getting a raw deal in terms of 'hype' I have to agree with everything you say - especially about the digital route.

    I produce digital prints by scanning slides and get excellent results but I can see that in the future the way to go will be all digital. The fact that, at the moment, there's no prospect of being able to use all the Minolta gear I already own makes me very unhappy.

    On your other point (image stabilisation) I also agree. My main interest is natural history and to win a couple of extra stops and still be able to hand hold would be wonderful.

    MickL
     

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