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Lens choices

Discussion in 'Canon Conflab' started by EightBitTony, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    So after selling a few lenses and an old body, I have some money to invest in something new (secondhand).

    I have no need of a new lens, but I want one.

    I currently have 17-50 (EF-S, Sigma), 10-18 (EF-S, Canon), 24-105 (EF, Canon, L), 70-200 f/4 IS (EF, Canon, L).

    I use the 24-105 on my 7D2 body for 90% of what I shoot, with the 70-200 getting the rest of the use, and then the 17-50 (which is gorgeous) and the 10-18 getting sporadic use these days.

    I also have a 6D body, which I obviously can't use the two EF-S lenses on.

    I just got rid of an 18-270 (quality just not good enough any more), and a 100-400, too big, too heavy, too specialist.

    I'm torn between,

    Canon EF 17-40 f/4 L
    Canon EF 16-35 f/4 IS L
    Canon EF 70-300 IS L

    Two sort of similar, and one very different lens.

    The wide angles would be to cover that option on the 6D, and the 70-300 because I wonder if the 70-200 isn't always going to be long enough.

    Any comments? Any other suggestions of a favourite lens? Would need to be no more than around £800 second hand (or new).

    NB: The longer the money hangs around the more likely I am to spend it on bills or a Fuji ;)
  2. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    If you can stump up for a 16-35 f4, forget about the 17-40, it's better in every possible way (except, I suppose, reach at the longer end). The 17-40 is soft wide open, although it's fine from about f8, so if you're only using it for landscapes on a tripod, it's fine. Some people think it's ok on a crop camera, as you're cropping out the softer edges, but I actually always found it rather disappointing on that.
    The 16-35 and 70-300 are two of my favourite lenses, and it's a very rare day when they're not both in my bag.
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  3. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Just a 2p worth:
    Of course it all depends, the 16-35L is a very good lens and makes an excellent all purpose walk about. Images have a certain sparkle that I do not get with any of my other lenses. I also have a 70-300 (not the L} which is very nice and sharp and also has its uses. My avatar was taken by a granddaughter with the 70-300 at full stretch in ridiculously low light (its uncropped)
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  4. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    I traded my 17-40 L for the 16-35 F4 L with no regrets. The latest 70-300L is supposed to be very good. It is not a lens that I have used. I went 70-200, then 300 F4 reasoning that if I needed more than 200 mm it would probably be for the 300 mm end and a prime would be better, but there was not the quality zoom option at the time. Now I have the 100-400 Lii which is very good (but heavy) on full frame and covers most of what I'd use a 70-300 mm zoom for.
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  5. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    Would you use the new lens mainly on the 6D and for street photography?
  6. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Probably not street photography as such, the 6D isn't quick enough, and doesn't have enough focus points, for the way I shoot street. I am thinking of doing a bit of seascape / landscape stuff, and I could justify the 16-35 L on the 6D for that. Otherwise it would be indoor family events or any other indoor kind of stuff. Few and far between to be honest. But as I said, it's not something I need, just something I happen to have the funds for at the moment and if I don't use it, I'll lose it.
  7. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    2nd hand arca Swiss cube?

    I know it's not a lens but how many zooms does one need. (except Nick;))
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  8. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    I have the 17-40L which is fine for me but comes in for a lot of negative feedback. I have tried the 16-35 L IS and preferred the results, but it is more expensive. You could perhaps buy a 17-40L and a non L 70-300.
  9. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    I'm already tempted by another camera body I don't need (Fuji XT-something), I don't need any more temptation!
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  10. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    None of the 16-35 f4 for sale second hand in Wex or the two LCE's near to me. I guess people don't sell them on since they're so good?
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  11. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    You would have to prise mine from my cold, dead hands.
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  12. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Just had a thought, what about a second EF 24-105 f4 L but get the mark II?

    Anyone have the mark ii? Significant improvement over the mark i?
  13. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    I'd expect the IS to be better but memory says that optically the AP review said they are similar. Why not just get a new 16-35 F4 ?

    Another wide angle option that's a bit of fun is the 24 TSE mk ii - but the price has hiked.
  14. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    New 16-35 f4 is definitely an option, although it's above my budget by a little more than £100. I have seen some second hand prices, and it obviously holds price very well, so I'll need to decide if saving £150 is worth getting a used one for.
  15. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Another of my all-time favourites. ;)
  16. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Made me consider what my favourite lenses are that get regular use*:

    Canon EF

    8-15mm L fisheye zoom - I like fisheyes. I love the fact that this is 2 in 1 on full frame, and a diagonal fisheye on APS-C.
    16-35mm f4 L IS
    24-70mm f4 L IS - not as good a range as the 24-105, but sharper, less distortion, and a very useful near-macro setting (0.7x)
    70-200mm f4L IS (But I sold this one)
    70-300mm L IS - I found I was using the 1.4x too often on the 70-200, and this lens being shorter fits my bag better
    100-400mm L IS II - I find this too heavy for regular use when I'm carrying several other lenses, which is a shame.

    100mm f2.8 L Macro - Excellent macro lens, very nice (but sometimes too sharp) portrait lens
    TS-E 24mm L II - Wonderful lens. Slow, but very sharp when used normally, and great movements

    Canon EF-M

    22mm f2 - I love this little lens. It's the digital equivalent of my old Leica 40mm f2 Summicron-C, tiny but lovely.
    11-22mm - I call it the Midget Gem - not quite as good as the 16-35 on full frame, but remarkably good for such a small lens.

    The quality of these zooms is something I wouldn't have thought possible not all that many years ago. I've sold quite a few primes which frankly either didn't perform as well, or at best, were about as good. The primes I have left either have some feature the zooms don't, or are essentially worthless (my absolutely ancient 300mm f4 L USM with scratched front element and intermittent focusing fault - which is how I bought it, cheap, nearly 20 years ago).

    * I have lots of favourite classic lenses, almost all primes. Well, no, ALL primes if we're talking favourites.
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  17. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Useful @Benchista , thank you :)

    I love my 70-200 f4 (I'll love it more when I get it properly dialled in again), and I don't find myself short of distance using it on the 7d2, but I am still half tempted by the 70-300. I'll probably still go for the 16-35 though.

    I did think about the 11-22mm on the EF-M (I've got the 22mm f2 permanently attached atm), but I was really trying hard to just stick the 22mm because it first in my pocket (kind of).
  18. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    I clicked buy.

    (On the EF 16-35 f4, new, from Wex, using the £120 I got for the 600D I part-exed to them).

    Now I have to go lie down.
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  19. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    Think my 24mm f/2.8 falls into that category......could easily be replaced by a more modern zoom which would likely take less time in the lens correction bit of DPP. It's small and light and has a tendency to live in my camera bag where all my other lenses get picked according to what I intend to shoot.
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  20. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    'I have no need of a new lens, but I want one.'

    Alternatively, use the money to help finance a visit to Venice in in late October/early November, or Tuscany in early May, and enjoy using the decent kit you already have.
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