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Is it time to accept the unthinkable

Discussion in 'General Equipment Chat & Advice' started by pixelpuffin, Dec 25, 2019.

  1. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    I love taking pictures, just love it.
    90% are of family - with the remaining 10% of activities involving family - sons sports and the odd toe dipping into macro!
    This evening after spending all day eating, socialising and grabbing off the cuff shots of family on Christmas day, I decided to upload my phone pictures to the PC.
    Fully intend to set about creating photo book archives, that is my No1 New Year resolution.

    The sad truth is, that virtually all my memorable pictures I have taken have been captured with either my compact camera or phone. Of course the sport shots are taken with my dslr.
    But, the vast bulk, that means virtually all have been captured by phone and compacts.

    Maybe I should accept the brutal truth, that DSLRs (and CSCs) are really on their way out. My photo archive blatantly says this. Yet, I love using proper cameras, but the truth is almost all my photo opportunities arise when least expected, when My camera is either at home, in the car or in the next room. Yet my phone is here, constantly, never leaves my side unless I'm sleeping. Days out are always accompanied with both phone and compact, I even sometimes leave the compact now, unless I'm sure I need the zoom.

    I'm still using old iphone, but I'm getting pulled towards upgrading to either the iPhone flagship or android (due to the ability to use sd cards)

    My work colleague who dragged me back into photography 5yrs ago after almost 15yrs of using nothing more than a sony compact. He was the one that got me interested in urbex, which started the whole bug once more. Yet, I discovered last week he's sold his entire Nikon DSLR outfit and instead purchased the latest Huawei Pro 30 along with a seriously smart but compact drone. He showed me why...my jaw just dropped!! unbelievable. To knock it home, he sent the images and drone footage to his enormous 50" TV. it completely floored me, just didn't expect that level of detail.

    As much as I want to keep using my gear, I'm asking myself why all the time, especially now. Yes, sports and macro, 2 subjects that I enjoy are easily covered with my canon setup. but the rest...the 90% I mentioned at the beginning is easier covered by phone and compact. Or maybe just Phone (….and drone)

    Is anyone else with this dilemma ?
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2019
  2. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    I don't have a smartphone, but I use a Canon G12 for most of my digital photography, and my 60D only rarely. On the other hand, I have 60 or so working film cameras, and I shoot a few rolls of monochrome every year.
  3. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member


    It takes 30 mins to find my phone and another 30 mins to charge it.
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  4. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    I have an ancient iphone (which if the battery can't be replaced will soon be a dead iphone) and the camera on it is shockingly bad. I carry my dslr with me nearly everywhere, and if not that, my fuji so I'm not in the same place. Also I am not entirely sure my clients would be that accepting of me telling them that I use a phone.
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  5. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    No. I only ever use the camera on my Samsung Galaxy for anything when I am not carrying a camera. I far prefer a dedicated camera.

    I always have the feeling that you are very restless where cameras and equipment are concerned, regularly buying and selling for whatever reason. I do add and subtract but have utterly no regrets over buying into Fujifilm CSCs, which I now use far more than my Nikon DSLRs, a smartphone, is for me anyway, a poor substitute with ponderous operation and poor viewfinding.
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  6. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Given what Adobe, Google, Apple and the rest of them are working on - you think you've got problems!?

    - AI to help the camera-phone identify faces

    - the optimisation of the sharpness of all detail

    - for nighttime shots the camera-phone will take multiple images and so cobble the optimum picture together

    - the computer will add invented details in photo-realistic quality to your pictures

    - you'll be able to turn winter shots into summer shots and v v

    - 3-D sensors to analyse the scene and allow light sources to be shunted around

    Are we heading towards ISO/BSI photography - 'standardised scenes and the like?

    Brave new photographic world!

  7. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    To some extent, yes. A few times now, for instance a couple of weeks ago in Düsseldorf I went out without my camera intending only to use my phone. At times I just can’t be bothered to carry a camera in a bag or otherwise.
    I was in London last weekend and again, I didn’t take my camera, yet I had it in my car.
    If I intend to take photos, or go out with the intention of taking photos or on holiday, then I will take the camera but other than that I find I use my iPhone a lot more.
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  8. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the replies
    As far as gear goes, yes I do constantly buy/try then sell. It costs nothing as I always recoup what I spent. There’s no denying that using a “proper” camera gives better results - we know that

    What I said was most of the images I have that I think mean the most to me are those I took in a split second, it literally takes seconds to pull the phone out and swipe the camera on without even unlocking the phone...seconds!!

    As I say I love composing images on big bright viewfinders and isolating the subject - wonderful and to me sums up my passion for taking pictures. But unless I wander around every waking moment with my camera round my neck or strapped to my hand I will miss those fleeting moments when all you have is literally seconds to grab a shot. Technically flawed I agree, but a fleeting moment or gesture that was captured.

    It’s those things I want these days
    We can’t go back and recompose, the moments gone.
  9. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    1st world problems and dilemmas, eh?

    No problemo here: I've got several cameras and I use what I want when I want.
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  10. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    No. I rarely find myself in a situation where I want to take a photograph and don't have an SLR with me. If I am doing something that I don't expect to photograph I leave the cameras at home but I will probably have my phone. I have taken around 10,000 images on SLRs this year but a few dozen on my phone; the phone is great as a carry everywhere device but it doesn't begin to match the capabilities of an SLR with a 70-200 for capturing birds and wildlife. However one day I may not be able to carry a large SLR with a fast zoom then I may resort to using a phone or a smaller camera. I have a Nikon 1J5 with a 30-110 zoom and that fits in a pocket, if I can overcome the view finder problem... who knows.
  11. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Gosh. If I'm carrying one it will have slid to the bottom of the camera bag. That's where I put it when I'm going out - then I know where it is.
  12. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what the dilemma is here, other than you appear to be bored with any choice you make about anything and constantly try and second guess / re-guess / change your mind, about everything, all the time.

    The best camera you have is the one you have with you. I go out of the house to take photographs, I take a camera, if I'm out and about and see something I want to photograph but don't have it with me, I use a phone. Other people solve this issue by buying small cameras and never being without them. I should imagine anyone who had a large format film camera and a little point and shoot film camera had exactly the same non-dilemma, they wanted the beauty of large format, but they didn't want to carry it everywhere.
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  13. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    I very rarely use my phone for photos. My ratio of family to other photos is probably the reverse of yours ie 10:90, this may be a reason but I doubt it. My wife and daughters only use their phones and they take thousands.
  14. SXH

    SXH Well-Known Member

    Well, I take most of my unplanned pictures with my LF1, which is always in my jacket pocket. Unless I'm using it, of course. It has the advantages of a decent optical (rather than digital) zoom, a decent number of MP, RAW if you want it and doesn't insist on me giving it access to a microphone and my contacts list before it will let me take a picture, like my phone does.
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  15. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Clearly. I'm no where near as serious as you lot. For me photography is about capturing moments, not creating masterpieces. I went through that phase in my college years, using big heavy 5x4 and MF along with the big heavy tripods. I'm loving this new freedom. Being able to just snap at what I fancy and then play with settings to create something that gives me joyl. Yes, I miss the viewfinder and the out of focus backgrounds. And, yes, I really enjoy using my proper camera for sons soccer matches.

    But, for me I see absolutely no joy in lugging around gear. I went out a few weeks back into the local woods. With my ancient 5dii and both 28mm & 85mm f1.8 lenses. Had a great time, shooting handheld at wide apertures and having gone in wellies I could happily walk into the streams and take shots of different perspectives. Great fun, but those pictures will probably never see the light of day, maybe one will be printed for the hallway...maybe. That's the problem I have with photography par se. I have no outlet, so why bother...this is me please understand, not you.

    And, this is why I'm drawn towards phones. It's so easy. it's just fun. and rather than see this as a threat as so many seem to, I actually embrace it and can't wait for new developments...specifically the zoom (that will be the game changer for me)
    I'm pretty confident my cameras are safe, they will all remain in their air tight containers, along with giant packs of silica beads. same goes for my lenses. Nothing will deteriorate due to lack of care. And as and when I feel like taking "proper" pictures they will be there.

    In the mean time, I'll enjoy being just a snapper ;)
  16. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Just remember to check/charge the batteries now and again. If they go flat and stay there a while they will be useless.
  17. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Good point
    I've only kept the bodies that all use the same batteries, I sold the others. Besides my sports dlsr (7d's) will see use every other weekend (sons soccer) plus I'm trying to get more into video (80d) and my interest in macro (5dii) will all ensure my kit doesn't sit idle for too long.
    But the G16 and iPhone are seeing more action than ever. I love the freedom.
  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I can't think of any regular poster on this site that doesn't seem to feel that way, unless I've missed the "I'll only use a big dSLR" thread?
  19. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    My Galaxy S6 died just before Christmas (Motherboard issue) so in desperation I bought a Galaxy S9 second-hand from 'Game' because I gave up contract phones two years ago and we have two BT Sims with 3 gb of data each for £16 a month, which is pretty good. Anyway, the phone in an unmarked condition cost me £329 and to be honest there isn't a lot of difference between the old S6 and newer S9 camera wise.

    I only use my phone for recording things or stuff posted to Instagram et al, but I tent to carry my old very small Canon S120 everywhere anyway which can shoot RAW. In essence I'd never give up using a real camera for the reasons of image quality and control over the image process.
  20. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    The trend to smaller and smaller doesn't suit all. Lighter is good. I've not yet picked up a full-frame mirrorless but I'd guess it is not much smaller than a DSLR, otherwise holding it with anything longer than a short telephoto will be unbalanced. Hopefully they are a bit lighter.

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