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How to win photo competitions (or not)

Discussion in 'AP Magazine Feedback & Suggestions' started by wozza, May 11, 2018.

  1. Jacques Rebaque

    Jacques Rebaque Active Member

    Competitions attract competitive people, and a fair percentage of those will have less scruples than most and will break/bend rules. If that makes you unhappy/bitter then don't enter. I used to be regular APOY entrant until 2012 when I saw the second placed entrant in the 'Exploring the City' round and it was a picture of that 'bicycle and hut' in the Scottish Highlands complete with mountains and forests in the background,the City??? really!!! I just failed to see the point in entering after that, and I enjoy my photography more for it.
     
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  2. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I've never been a competition person. In fact the only competition I ever won was a trade event that my boss entered my work for without my knowledge! I didn't get anything out of it either as the award went to the company. :(
     
  3. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member


    You are correct Chester I might have been a bit strong using the word 'corrupt' perhaps a better word might explain "knowing or knowlegeable malpractice"? The current APOY rules permit someone with an income (for example) of £10 million per year from (for example) from a property empire who has a three capital city international fashion photography business that perhaps only makes an annual income of say (for example) £900,000pa to be called an amateur and enter APOY at less than 10% of their income?

    I am just off to tell my wardrobe mistresses, hairdressers, make-up people, lighting engineers, pyro-technical engineers, studio assistants and others they can go home as my shutter pressing has ended for the day. :)
     
  4. Gezza

    Gezza Well-Known Member

    Im sure when/if you ever win a competition you will start to think maybe its fair after all.
     
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  5. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member

    Andrew, no has to be a competitor. No one makes anyone enter anything in photography. The drive to doing so can be anything from getting some idea of how your art is assessed by others to actually seeking status by success or even monetary gain? A little bit of competitiveness is healthy but as we have seen recently (find the stuffed anteater story) some will lie or even steal others work and promote it as their own. Now the latter is clearly unhealthy.

    My main issue here is in a photo mag purporting to be representing "amateur photography" and its' principal competition (the APOTY) is open to professionals. Despite the rather archaic methodology of assessing income percentage as denoting an amateur or a pro I am not sure how it might be assessed. However what is clear is that many successful entrants to APOTY are professionals by many many non-income related criteria some are even published authors and work in related businesses.

    Professionals are too be respected. They often have to make a living. They have to satisfy (or persuade) a client. They have overheads. Like all businesses (and I know I have one now) life is hard. They however do not pay for equipment, materials, staff, models etc etc (the customer/ employer does).

    Amateurs pay for the lot with no one to pass the bill on to. So yes you can hire hairdessers and make-up people and wardrobes of outfits, studio time. lighting engineers etc but you will pay for it. That is what makes you an amateur.

    This is not really about being competitive but rather about like-for-like. There are myriads of competitions for professionals.

    When was the last time your copy of AP was all about amateurs around the country? What are they doing? Well dont look in AP!
     
  6. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member


    You are correct Wozza, and there are two photographic judges in my household. Exotic locations (and animals) do far better in competitions. In fact recently a Counties Federation officer advised members at my photography club not to enter (British) landscapes "as they tend not to do well" and she is correct. In fact this bias has in some part led to the many photo holidays now available to more obscure places. Lofoten islands trendy at the moment. We have all seen Iceland done to death, as well as the Namibian desert, so passe now -lol. If I see one more Tuscan dawn or Venetian blue boats I will scream.
     
  7. wozza

    wozza Active Member

    I know this wasn't aimed at me, but I neglected to mention that I got a top 10* place in the latest round of APOY, so this thread doesn't come from a position of bitterness.

    * Others users voted me much, much lower, but what does the public know, eh? ;-)
     
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    You certainly do live in a fantasy world, don't you?

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  9. Gezza

    Gezza Well-Known Member

    Correct :)
     
  10. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member

    Your mistaken assumption is that I have never won a competition but you would be very wrong. I have so many Silver Cups and shields here now they are stored in boxes for both for security and lack of space. It is not helped by my wife share of silver equal to mine. Lmao.
     
  11. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member

    Roger you are a sad old bombast that should have been put out to grass 20 years ago. Your personal attack lacks both weight and indicates your own weaknesses and you air them here for us all to see and I am afraid laugh at you.
     
  12. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member

    Wozza, I am sure this was not aimed at you. When the system is threatened the usual sidekicks appear with all sorts of inane stuff. I am not sure anyone in here needs to qualify their opinion with any sort of track record. Well done for your top 10 placing and if there were not a half dozen professionals above you you might have been in top 3? So much for amateur photography?
     
  13. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Well, if we're going to trade insults, you already have been put out to grass, and rightly so. If you can't see that your post above comes across as a whingeing fantasy, you really can't see much.

    You've been here for 37 posts. That has to be the smallest number of posts before I've ever put anyone on ignore. You're not even amusing.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  14. TheSeeingEye

    TheSeeingEye Active Member

    Looks like a win for me then? On ignore from Mr. Bombastic himself a good or a bad thing? I think I know which ...... lol
     
  15. wozza

    wozza Active Member

    Play nice, folks!
     
  16. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Any evidence for this? I don't necessarily mean that a pro will win it, but the fact about multi million pound earning individuals.

    And so what what if they are multi millionaires. They can still be amateur photographers. They may be millionaires and earn nothing from photography as it is a hobby. Should that be disallowed?
     
  17. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    I think we have made the mistake of taking TheSeeingEye seriously and attempting to respond in an adult and rational manner.
     
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  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    On basic socialist principles they should only be allowed to enter if they can prove they have paid all their taxes. :cool:
     
  19. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    And only using a home made pin hole camera?
     
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  20. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Chester,

    Given his talent for spewing bile, bad ideas and insults, I fear you are right. He is no more than a particularly venomous (though not especially competent) specimen of the common troll.

    It reminds me of the "What are you rubbish at" thread. I'm really not very good at spotting trolls: I tend to assume that people are presenting genuine ideas for discussion, even if those ideas are sometimes very feeble. Stupidity is one thing. Malice is quite another.

    Cheers,

    R.
     

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