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How can they possibly.........

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by John King, Aug 29, 2020.

  1. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    I am expecting a package from the Netherlands which is being delivered by UPS (not my 1st choice or even any choice) and looking at their Email notification of delivery time/date I have seen a copyright notice:-

    © 2020 United Parcel Service of America, Inc. UPS, the UPS brandmark, and the color brown are trademarks of United Parcel Service of America, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Am I missing something here? I can understand copyright restriction on their name for commercial business but how on earth can they claim a copyright on the colour brown? Is it me or simply an Americanism?
     
  2. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member


    It is only a trademark on the color brown not the colour brown :)

    Seriously, the UPS delivery vehicles are very distinctive I would expect the copyright strictly to apply to the UPS mark on a brown van and then possibly only to their van design. Whether that design is unique to them I don't know - certainly in the UK I don't think I have seen an equivalent in any other colour.
     
  3. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    Sorry I don't see any distinction apart from the American way of spelling the word colour! But there again who am I to argue. It is at least badly worded and in that form possibly unenforceable.

    (Lots of head shaking going on!)
     
  4. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    Is their service crap?
     
  5. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    It protects you as much as them, from look-alikes, rogue traders and rip-offs. Ditto Kodak yellow and many more.

    Use of the colour (far as I'm aware) will be in context of delivery business. The exact shade (like a typeface) is registerable. My company handled the whole relaunch, including livery, about 16 years ago.
     
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  6. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    Anish Kapoor managed to get an exclusive deal on (vanta)black. Perhaps UPS use the Mummy Brown made from crushed up egyptians?
     
  7. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

  8. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Note as well, that you're mixing up copyright and trademarks in the original post. The copyright applies to the page you're reading the text on, but the logos and the colours are trademarked. As Mike says, if you tried to set up a parcel delivery service using that shade of brown on your trucks, then in countries where that trademark is recognised there might be a challenge. Or if you set up a website to check postal delivery and you used that brown, etc.

    It's not copyright, which prevents any reproduction, it's a trademark.

    https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/6685/can-ups-really-trademark-the-color-brown/6687
     
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  9. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    First thing rip-off brands try to copy is the colour. They can make you pick the wrong thing off the shelf with colour alone. Next comes graphics, style of type and finally the name itself.
     
  10. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Aldi are very good at that putting their own cheap brands close to the real stuff. The colour and very similar graphics are the first things you see.
     
  11. neilt3

    neilt3 Well-Known Member

    Yes.
    That's why their trucks are disguised as a big crap .
     
  12. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    Cadbury succeeded in obtaining a trademark on the purple they use on their chocolate wrappers a while ago, until they recently tried to renew and got told to bugger off - they tried to stretch the trademark to cover everything including the kitchen sink (it is pantone 2685C)
    Anish Kapoor may well own the rights to the blackest black, but that was until another even blacker blackest black came out, and was put in the public domain - everyone is allowed to use it EXCEPT Anish Kapoor :D
    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/stuart-semple-blackest-black-anish-kapoor-1452259

    edit...The paint I was referring to was created by Stuart Semple. It isn't the blackest black, it is the blackest black acrylic paint (about 99percent absorption rather than 99.6 for Anish Kapoor's paint)

    His website states:

    *Note: By adding this product to your cart you confirm that you are not Anish Kapoor, you are in no way affiliated to Anish Kapoor, you are not purchasing this item on behalf of Anish Kapoor or an associate of Anish Kapoor. To the best of your knowledge, information and belief this material will not make it's way into the hands of Anish Kapoor.

    But then again, MIT have come up with another paint which is the blackest blacky black material ever created at 99.995percent absorption

    https://news.artnet.com/exhibitions/diemut-strebe-diamond-1653130
     
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  13. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Links like that are highly distractive in the nicest way.
    The LG mask to be shown at IFA 2020 is interesting and leads one to search for the effectiveness of HEPA filters against viruses.
    The IKEA/LEGO Bygglek collection looks like a brilliant idea. It looks like fun for children and helpful to parents who want to keep bits of LEGO from getting jammed in the vacuum cleaner. Its so obvious now one sees it; not so obvious until someone else imagined it.
     
  14. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE="John Farrell, Is their service crap? [/QUOTE]

    Absolutely! I was told 2-3 working days delivery which would have made it Monday at the latest. The invoice and estimated delivery date is now Thursday and as I am away until very late on Thursday, this was arranged around their original delivery date, Trying to get them to change the date or deliver to my next door neighbour is impossible. Once a package has been collected from the sender, it cannot be diverted, 'put on hold' whatsoever. Fortunately, I have found the package is quite small, so will in all probability go through my letter box (I hope). It does not have to be signed for.

    This company has no UK call centres, the number for enquiries is an 0345 one, but connects through to America and when I spoke to them they had no idea at first what I was asking them to do. Absolutely not customer friendly and a very poor service in this day and age.
     
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  15. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    They have an app that you can change delivery details on I’m sure. I had to do it once IIRC.
     
  16. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    Much the same colour scheme as the Premier Inn Hotel chain and Premier convenience shops the colours are identical. They came after the hotels.
     
  17. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    That goes for all own label, they hitch a ride on the premium brands. Colours come to signify certain things in specific areas. There was big concern amongst legislators about 10 years ago about the amount of green being splashed over things.
     
  18. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    No there is absolutely NO WAY that once a package is in transit can any change be made. This is what I was told by the guy in America.

    I had heard about their service before I placed the order and if I had known it was UPS, I would have declined to do so. They really are set up for business customers, the private individual appears to be an 'add on'.
     
  19. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    What I understand about Aldi as they don’t stick main brands all of the time is that they stock it for a while, park their almost identical brand next to it then remove the main brand after a short time hoping we’ll be fooled. At least the main supermarkets stock both all of the time.
     
  20. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Of course they do. It is on the whole string of delivery notices they send you. Good system all through:

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