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Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? Help

Discussion in 'General Equipment Chat & Advice' started by GuyverF1, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I am also going to get a Monopod for stability to help
     
  2. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I would look at Flickr pictures of F1 at Silverstone and the exif data to see what was used in terms of exposure and focal length.

    I have never done this kind of photography but I would think a high level of skill is needed in two ways: timing -when to press the shutter as reaction lag will be important and panning to increase chances of getting the car in frame.

    Using a monopod to take pictures of moving objects needs practice. I seem to wobble more with one than without, so I have not the knack.

    Important thing is to enjoy the day!
     
  3. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    Good suggestion. Looking at the EXIF on this shot you would not need a monopod.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/octeight/6342104014/
     
  4. AlanClifford

    AlanClifford Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    What is lacking in your existing camera that is a problem? And what features are you looking for in another camera for this event?
     
  5. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    My existing camera is a 6mp compact which is 5 years old.

    We have been attending the renault world series event at silverstone for the last 2 years and i could barely get a shot of a car with it then and they are much slower, so with going to see F1 i need something much faster.
     
  6. rjbell

    rjbell Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I wouldn't bother with a monpod use that money for the camera lens with stabilisation. Both Canon and Nikon use Stabilisation in the lenses so the 70-300mm for both will cost you a min of £300. If you look at the links i sent you, both have camera and 2 lenses for around £300 because stabilisation is built into the camera so you have it for any lens. I'm a Nikon user so i'm not telling you to buy what i have, i think with your budget you are better off with a sony or pentax.

    What is your total budget for lens, camera and monopod?
     
  7. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    In film days, that was of course true. Now it certainly isn't - the box you mount it on is equally important. With the options the OP is considering, the body is a lot more important than the lens. Personally, I consider Canon's 8MP DSLR sensors to be the worst they have made, and the 350D not only has this sensor, but a fairly nasty rear screen as well. The 10MP sensor in the 400D is much better, and the screen is usable, too. However, the 12MP sensor in the 1100D is significantly better still, and will get more out of any given lens than either of the other two options.

    It's an option, but likely to be as much as the OP is considering to spend to buy kit!

    Indeed!
     
  8. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    It now looks like we are going to get a Canon Eos 1100D with18-55mm lens from my mother in laws catalog on but no pay later which we can afford.

    So i am looking at eBay for lenses as i cannot afford a new one for sure plus a monopod is only £7 so i thought about having a go with one to see if it makes any difference.
     
  9. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    No, for motorsport I would definitely prefer a monopod over stabilisation - it's one of the things I turn the stabiliser off for, although it can be used in panning mode, but it's simply easier on the arms to use a monopod. However, that does depend on having the space to use it...
     
  10. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    If you buy one at that price, you might as well use a stick of celery ... one past it's sell by date too.

    The whole point of a camera support is that it should be solid. Monopods are a bit like tripods in that they have three basic attributes: solidness, weight and cost. If you compromise on the cost you will lose solidness. If you really push the boat out on price ticket you may be able to find one that is solid enough and reasonably light.

    A good tripod / monopod will last a lifetime and should be considered as an investment. A bad one is a waste of money, it will be ineffective and/or fall to bits in a few weeks use.

    The lower end of the price bracket that is even worth considering is around £50, and then only for a light camera with a normal lens.

    Whilst I agree with Nick (Benchista) that the 350D is not the best camera in the world, for your purpose the standard zoom lens with a maximum focal length of 55mm isn't going to get you close enough to the action. I'd far rather have a 350D with a budget range tele zoom like the EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS II for shooting motorsport than the best body in the world with the 18-55 zoom. Incidentally, the image stabilisation on this lens means that you're unlikely to actually need a monopod, you should be able to get good stabilised in one plane performance whilst panning the camera hand held.

    Buy the camera and body second-hand from a specialist camera shop rather than buying new if your money is tight. And you should be able to get a 400D for not that much more than a 350D.

    Do get as much practice as you can before going to the Grand Prix; try standing behind the armco barrier on a fast dual carriageway, but park safely in a layby and be prepared to explain to Plod what you're doing when a motorised battenberg cake stops to investigate.
     
  11. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    So are you saying that if i get a monopod that i will not need a lens with IS
     
  12. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    Well we are definitely getting the Canon Eos 1100D now so i just need to worry about a lens.

    Been looking on eBay and found loads but do not know what i am doing so need some advice.
     
  13. Old git

    Old git In the Stop Bath

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    Blimey. We settled on the Camera in only two pages! Just the lens now!
     
  14. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    The other way round, actually. If you have a lens with IS you will likely get away without a monopod. In fact a monopod makes it more difficult to pan fast and smoothly ... they're excellent for wildlife photography with supertele lenses but it's mostly because it helps support the weight. Monopods or tripods in a crowd are usually a lot more trouble than they're worth, even if the organisers allow you to use one. (They take up space that they could cram more punters in to, and people trip over them and sue the organisers).
     
  15. rjbell

    rjbell Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I agree IS is a better option for you. Nick has heavy pro lenses and learned how to use a monopod. I would go for a IS lens. There is no way of swaying you away from the 1100d? If not your talking another £250-£300 used price for a 70-300m lens with IS/OS/VC, my recommendation you will get the lot for £300.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012
  16. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I would agree with BJB that the Canon 55-250 is by far the best lens for what you need at a sensible price - indeed it's worth buying a Canon just for that lens at this end of the market IMHO - it's far sharper than it should be for the money, pretty much as good as ones that do cost £300 used. And yes, if it mattered, I would drop to the 400D to afford it (but I would draw the line at a 350D personally). And as I alluded to earlier, I also agree that monopods are a pain in a crowd.

    Finally, I really wouldn't recommend built-in stabilisation with long lenses - in my experience, it doesn't work as well as an in-lens stabiliser at the longer focal lengths, and the in-lens variety also has the benefit of stabilising the viewfinder image, which is quite an advantage with tele lenses, where the image can be all over the place when hand holding. In-body stabilisation is a real boon if you want to use old lenses, but not the ideal solution for your needs.
     
  17. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    Hi getting the Camera from a catalog was the only reasonable way to go for us as we can save to pay it off but with the lens i really do not want to spend more than £50-70 if poss
     
  18. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    Bit like saying you want a reliable car that will carry 7 people, does more than 50 mpg and costs less than £100. That's an impossibly tight budget, you're going to have to compromise seriously.

    One possibility is to get a good, old fashioned, manual focusing tele lens like the Olympus Zuiko 200mm f/4, which in my experience works well with the Canon digital bodies, when fitted with a OM to EOS mount adapter. You will not have image stabilisation nor a choice of focal lengths, and you will only be able to use the camera in aperture priority mode. Prefocus manually, set the aperture to f/8 and fire away ...

    IMVHO you do need a lens a lot longer than 55mm though. Here's an image I took about 35 years ago, with a "standard" 50mm lens, manual everything (it's all I had or could afford in those days). I've cropped it to give the same field of view as 55mm on an APS-C camera.

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    1977 North West 200, Mick Grant I think. Praktica LTL, Pentacon 50mm f/1.8, 1/60 at f/8, Kodakchrome 64. Not happy with the colour balance but that's what you got with K64! Not at all happy about the foreground fence but couldn't do anything about it. For race aficionados, this was taken from the University grounds at the right hand "kink" on the approach to Shell Hill, which was taken flat out at around 190 mph (the kink, not Shell Hill which was a 25mph hairpin!) : the course hasn't gone that way since the ring road was built.
     
  19. GuyverF1

    GuyverF1 Active Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He

    I understand i am asking for a lot but was hoping for some advice on lenses that i could trawl eBay for and maybe pick up a bargain on the hop
     
  20. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

    Re: Hello there, Need Camera for F1 at Silverstone Dilemma??? He


    I found the IS can cause problems with panning but that might be just my camera. :)

    We must remember that the OP is new to SLR photography so worth explaining the focal length, shutter speed guide.

    If the OP finds that when car passes they are only using say 200mm of the lens then the shutter speed can be 1/200 without IS being used.

    I use shutter priority (Tv on Canons I believe) mode for action shooting. So I can control the blur on wheels etc.
     

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