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For those that don't use a search engine first before asking us:

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by pachinkofan, Aug 21, 2011.

  1. pachinkofan

    pachinkofan Well-Known Member

  2. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    I know what you're getting at, and it happens on other forums as well. However, getting the best out of Google takes some experience, and whilst I think I know my way around now, my partner doesn't yet "get it" to the same degree.

    I do note that on the page which came up from your example (at around 09:35), this site isn't included, although I guess it may be in the future!

    I'm happy trying to help people whose queries seem well structured, but much less so where it's as broad as in your example - I simply don't have the experience of the many compact and phone related cameras - such as my 14 year old granddaughter was using yesterday!

    AND a few words of thanks is always appreciated...
     
  3. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Whilst I can see where you are coming from, the vast majority of hits will lead to professionally created review materials. Interesting, but for our average member, not real world enough so I can see the point of asking what real users think before looking at what the professionals think.

    I do however think that people who have made their choice should be encouraged to make more use of the manufacturers web site, and the manual, before they ask questions for which the answer is readily available.
     
  4. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    i'd largely agree with that sentiment Geoff, especially as most manufacturers put Pdf's of their manuals on their website (though the size of them, is more than a mobile wants to download though some old duffers like me, indirectly 'like' answering these as it's good work for the decaying brain-cells! Ha ha ha!
     
  5. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    I have a large collection of PDF Nikon DSLR manuals for that very reason. Which doesn't stop me wondering why other people don't bother reading the manual. I only look at mine when I want to know how to do something different or that I don't often need to do.

    The other annoyance is the query along the lines of "what settings should I use?".
    I remember reading numerous books on the basics of photography when I first started, I still have many of them, and from their pages I learned what the camera controls do. Today people don't do that background reading and survive by using P mode.
     
  6. turbulentwheat

    turbulentwheat Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    There have been similar threads in the past about this - asking questions with and without consulting google almighty first. My answer to that is this - conversation. Getting to know people, keeping a forum bouncy and lively by talk is 'chat'. There will always be people who are happy to oblige by answering questions no matter how often those questions pop up. And there will always be people who find it irritating. My advice to those who find it annoying is not to answer at all. Participating in a forum is like being invited to a party, you meet hopefully like minded people (in this case photography) and you ask questions and compare notes. Everyone can call upon technology to get most of the answers but you can't beat getting feedback from other people. It's being sociable. If you're not sociable there's nowt wrong with not saying anything but just listening(reading). Unless one is inclined to a contrary nature then I guess it's another form of communication and entitled to give their gripes an airing too:)
     
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2011
  7. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    I keep printed camera manuals in my toy box with the stuff that doesn't live in the camera bag. The last one I referenced was a couple of weeks back for my 580EX mk2 as it works a bit differently from my old 550EX.....doesn't have a slave switch, it's press and hold buttons that are marked for other purposes.

    Manuals are handy things....especially when manufacturers don't give you clearly marked controls and make life easy;)
     
  8. frank1

    frank1 Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking


    I agree with most of what you've said. My biggest moan is when the queries are asking the big question but supplying very little or no information. Whether it's laziness on the person's part asking for advice or just them assuming we will know their every need. The best query is the one with as much info as possible.
     
  9. IanJTurner

    IanJTurner Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Couldn't agree more. Nothing puts me off a forum more than a small group of people getting high and mighty with first time posters; noob (hate that word) syndrome!

    Sometimes people are unaccustomed to the ways of the internet forum, or perhaps just to the particular foibles of a specific community, but given a chance they might settle in and become an active member... unless they are chased away by the shouts of 'just f**king google it'!

    Glad to say I haven't experienced that attitude here too much.

    :)
     
  10. Mojo_66

    Mojo_66 Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    I think Googling is an art. It's something that gets better with practise. You get to know what keywords will throw up the sites you want. The more you do it the more things stick in your memory and you're able to find what you want quicker, or are able to answer a particular question better because you may have read about it some weeks previously. Some people struggle with it due to lack of experience or because they simply don't know where to start, so they ask on a forum. As already mentioned there are people who enjoy answering their questions. Another point is that although there are many review sites about, the poster may just be looking for opinions from people who own or have used a particular camera, especially over an extended period rather than just an afternoon specifically to write a review.
     
  11. Dorset_Mike

    Dorset_Mike Grumpy Old Fart

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    One thing that gets up my nose is the way some hits take you to another search engine's results and you find there all the same results Google found, what's the point of that?

    Or the frustration when you search for, say, "double drainer sink units" and get a list of properties with them fitted even if you include a term like supplier or stockist, there should be some way of limiting the scope of results to a certain context without having to go into advanced search every time.
     
  12. Mark

    Mark Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Try this. Type uk photographer into google. Try it again but adding -wedding after uk photographer .
    You've just excluded wedding from the results. Like Kath said, "Googling is an art". This is just scratching the surface...

    The next stage is to understand why it restricted searches don't always come up with the results that you initially expected...
     
  13. MPB

    MPB Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    or try puttin your search term in netween a pair of quotation marks to force an exact match to your search term EG "Nikon Cameras"
     
  14. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Your right there. How you phrase the query can make a real difference at finding useful data. It pays sometimes to reorder the basis of the search. Like you have shown. Also model names etc can be written different like A55 & A-55
    SLT55. All can sometime throw up different sites or affect the order. You have to experiment with the wording to see if you are getting all the info. As you probably know legal stuff is a nightmare because if you word it wrong you can end up with a listing of USA legal positions on stuff.
     
  15. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Please don't get the idea that I don't like helping or that I won't answer questions, however often they are asked. Equally I might just get slightly sarcastic in my replies occasionally, usually along the lines of "what you want is on page XX of your manual".

    In these days of electronic manuals with search facilities I find it amazing that some questions are even asked. I probably shouldn't be, all our procedures at work are accessed by computer only and have been for many years yet we still have people who have no idea how to use them.
     
  16. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Yeah - I tried that, but Google came back with

    No results for "Nikon Cameras". Did you mean "Nikon Doorstops"?.

    :D
     
  17. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    no good to me....Pentax user;):D
     
  18. Mark

    Mark Well-Known Member

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Whilst I cannot condone searches for "Nikon Cameras", I understand that Google can be used for that purpose. :eek:

    Google publish some basic tips for searching which may be useful to some here.

    In a Radio Times moment, I feel obliged to point out that other search engines are available. ;)

    (Be aware though that different engines respond differently to the various 'tricks', especially boolean 'near' logic [enclosing phrases in double inverted commas - like the now-infamous "Nikon Cameras" search])
     
  19. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    I've always thought that helping someone buy a camera is like fitting them with a bespoke suit. All sorts of questions, measurements and other information needs to be elicited.

    And I'm sure this was something of a tongue in cheek by the OP who is well aware of the bewildering {originally mistyped as bewidering but THAT could be applied as a word in this situation} proliferation of types, makes and models of 'camera' that must be daunting to a potential buyer with little or no knowledge.

    I have now typed too many multi-syllable :eek: words before lunch on a Monday and need to go and lie down ... :confused:
     
  20. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Re: For those that don't use a search engine first before asking

    Which is best done by the trained staff at a specialist shop 8-P

    No, you just need a liquid lunch. Could I reccomend the Guinness with an Irish whiskey chaser ;)
     

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