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Even if you hate Cummings ...

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Learning, May 26, 2021.

  1. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    He is modest in his own assessment of intelligence. Others see him as very intelligent; even some people who don't trust him.
    He does not have the type of personality needed to woo an electorate.
  2. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

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  3. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    Good idea, David. It'll give us something to do, during Lockdown #34. :(
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  4. WillieJ

    WillieJ Well-Known Member

    I consider Bozo to be thoroughly unpleasant. He is too lazy to be vengefull and also desparately wants to be liked by the public so it is not his knife you will find in other peoples backs. He has the reputation of one who dislikes being involved in confrontation and therefor prefers other people to do his dirty work for him - a bit like Jeremy really.
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  5. IvorETower

    IvorETower Little Buttercup

    Sadly I don't think we are being told more than we already knew, that for many years our top politicians have been an incompetent load of bumbling idiots who somehow managed to get themselves elected despite not having a clue how to run the country or how to react in an emergency situation. They like their predecessors still think that the biggest threat we face is a bombing attack from Russia, or obese children due to excessive sugar levels in their drinks. Anyone else remember the "preparing for emergencies" booklet we all had shoved through our letterboxes not so long ago? Despite repeated warnings over many years that we should be prepared for a medical pandemic/crisis, it appears that there was absolutely nothing in place to even give guidelines as to what to do.
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  6. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    Just seen the following headline on the Beeb: "Cummings claims are not true, says Hancock"

    In more simple terms: "Alleged liar alleges that an alleged liar was lying (allegedly)." o_O
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  7. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    You can't speak for his loyalty? The man is a serial philanderer who has betrayed every woman he has ever been with. That's hardly a secret. He lied to the Queen, via Rees-Mogg. How many examples do you need?

    And Hitler got elected - being elected is hardly a measure of how pleasant someone is. The above, making a career out of lying, presiding over the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands of people, putting his own career over the best interests of the country - you name it, in every way he has shown himself to be an utterly vile person.

    Vengeful, perhaps not. But aside from that, my quip absolutely works unless one has a deeply distorted moral compass, like the two loathesome individuals we're discussing.
  8. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    If he was Italian that would be an essential qualification for the job...
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  9. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    You mean........ Jeremy Hunt?!! ;) ;) :D

    I'm fairly sure that you were actually referring to a certain other 'Jeremy', Willie, but I note that Mr Hunt seems to have 'popped up' a few times recently, on various TV programmes. My suspicious mind thinks that he might be waving (from a safe distance) to the Tory Party, and saying "I'm still here, if you need me........". :)
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  10. Petrochemist

    Petrochemist Well-Known Member

    I don't think he could have made me despise him more. the short clips I've seen of his main claims do actually make me believe he isn't quite as despicable as I previously rated him.
    A one of the comments (BJ just saw covid as a scare story in feb 20) was somewhat of a so-what? I think most of us felt it was just another swine flu at that point.
    He did admit some non specific responsibility (as a senior advisor) & apologised for that.

    Overall it felt like a vendetta from someone who's had a huge falling out, but his claims can be investigated & proved or disproved. It left me wondering if he had lost someone in one of the care homes, although his comments at the time where very callous & implied it wouldn't effect him.
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  11. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    Definition of Definition: see politician

  12. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    I was considering only his political life and he was loyal to Cummings and supported him in the Barnard Castle debacle.
    We Know he is a serial liar, profligate to the point of compulsion, and I acknowledged that in my post.
    Purely as an historical note, nothing to do with the discussion, Hitler was never elected for anything, anytime, except, perhaps, in an ad hoc vote in 1921 to lead the NSDAP. in 1932 the Nazi Party was elected to the Reichstag and although they were the largest single party, their percentage of the vote was falling. Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor under pressure from industrialists frightened by the fact that the combined left wing parties had more seats.
  13. WillieJ

    WillieJ Well-Known Member

    I do not believe loyalty remotely came into his support of Cummings. He merely thought Cummings was very important to his own career.
  14. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    I have no reason to think that Cummings is a psychopath.
    He might well be a very good example of a high functioning person who is to some extent autistic. That cold ability to analyse, to act logically irrespective of sentimentality. The only reason i see to suggest otherwise is that he seems to be happily married to a very understanding spouse;
    I don't claim to be anywhere near his ability.
    It takes one to know one. It is not a handicap or disability. In many roles it is an advantage.
  15. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    I don't know why you show a smiley. Your summary is is accurate and to the point.
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  16. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    David Davis/Davies springs to mind as a porky teller who wasn't held to account.
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  17. miked

    miked Well-Known Member

    Seems like a couple of respected scientists have backed Cummings on one vital point:
    Channel 4 took the initiative to interview Dr Richard Horton, the Editor of the Lancet, and Prof. Devi Sridhar, the Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh this afternoon and this revealed further surprising revelation. Dr Horton reports that during the early months of the pandemic, he had a number of NHS medical staff contacting him and reporting that they were fast running out of PPE, that there was no treatment available and that there was no plan and no preparedness. This, he tells us, was at a time when the government were claiming the complete opposite. Horton adds that Cummings has basically just corroborated what he was being told by health professionals at the time.

    Do I believe everything that Cummings said? Probably not, and he undoubtedly dodged the Barnard Castle issue, but then again I do believe his allegations against Boris saying, "It's just a case of swine flu". as it has the ring of authenticity. As for Hancock? His Pants have been on fire since he took office......
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  18. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Don't forget that Corbyn has more than one relationship, although he did had the decency to marry two of them.
  19. WillieJ

    WillieJ Well-Known Member

    to use an expression from my growing up, playground not home - what has that got to do with the price of sugar?
    Translation - completely irrelevant observation.
    and yes I do know I mentioned Jezza but I did so in a relevant way.
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  20. WillieJ

    WillieJ Well-Known Member

    For what its worth, I have had (considerably) more than one relationship but I only had the decency to marry one - dear readers.
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