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EU referendum - aftermath

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Zou, Jun 23, 2016.

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How did you vote?

  1. Remain

    45 vote(s)
    73.8%
  2. Leave

    9 vote(s)
    14.8%
  3. Spoiled ballot

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
  4. Didn't vote

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
  5. Wasn't eligible

    3 vote(s)
    4.9%
  1. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your input Mike, it's always good to hear from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

    I'm hoping you're wrong about a rabid brexiter as PM, as May would be the best of the bunch by a long way and wouldn't (I hope) go in rubbing people up the wrong way and alienating potential allies (We need all we can get).

    It would also help if the general populace had actual information on the EU and how it works, rather than the misinformation spouted by certain sections of the press.
     
  2. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Yes it is a toss-up whether EU gets better treatment in the press than England football managers. Bottom line might be the press barons hate EU because they have no power over it. As power shifts away from Westminster, so their own (massive) personal power is eroded. They like to choose who is in power and to be the kingmakers and at EU level they are just irrelevant. They don't like that one bit.
    "Independence and freedom" for UK translates to personal power for themselves, not the voters.
     
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  3. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    Pretty much sums it up.

    The only paper that's been reasonably even-handed over the affair has been the London Evening Standard (Which I pick up on my way home), and of course could be seen as part of the "metropolitan elite establishment), at least by some with skewed world views.
     
  4. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Murdoch is on record as saying that Downing St. listens to him whereas in Brussels they merely smile but otherwise ignore him.

    Lynn
     
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  5. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Yep, I feel more secure out of the clutches of people like him. Was ever thus...Beaverbrook, Northcliffe etc rulers by default. Gove didn't decide anything, his wife at the Mail told him what to do.
     
  6. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    I saw that the England team are stuck in Calais....apparently they dont qualify as skilled workers....

    Graeme
     
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  7. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    Suggesting he is just a puppet..... wait a minute did he not used to be Lady penelope's butler?

    Graeme
     
  8. MartyG

    MartyG Well-Known Member

  9. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    :):)

    The famous leaked email was effectively from Paul Dacre, through Gove's wife telling him that if he didn't get assurances from Boris that he could run everything that mattered, he had to dump Boris. Boris wouldn't let him be Dep PM and run Brexit, so effectively the Mail, and by inference the Murdoch press too, dumped Boris. Not an act of treachery, just the press flexing its muscle. They put Boris there, they took him away when he proved uncontrollable.
     
  10. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    You have to realise that Juncker wasn't Angela Merkel's choice for the job. Since he is now trying to slip CETA and eventually TTIP through without giving the national governments or the european parliament a say then, besides confirming all those suspicions about the democratic nature of the European Commission, he may possibly find himself collecting the european version of a P45.

    There is however a general feeling that the UK is either in or out and that there can be no half-measures, no cherry-picking.

    Lynn
     
  11. SXH

    SXH Well-Known Member

    Followers of Schrödinger may disagree. ;)
     
  12. MartyG

    MartyG Well-Known Member

    We can only be in and out whilst heads are stuck in the sand. Once you take a look ...
     
  13. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    This seems to be very perceptive. https://www.theguardian.com/comment...m-tory-right-brexit-roll-back-state?CMP=fb_gu
    Now that people like Johnson and Farage are gone, the Brexit commitment within the conservatives has actually hardened. It is easy to see that even the Remainers, were quite content to lose and saw opportunities in it.

    I have always been puzzled about why Peter Hargreaves bankrolled Brexit, but messages from Hargreaves Lansdown to their investors right from the start have stressed opportunities from the chaos. Clearly the election of Corbyn helped to open the way, because it meant that Labour was unelectable and there would be no effective opposition. But still no idea why Corbyn sabotaged Labour's opposition to Brexit. What can he have hoped to gain? It has to be huge bad news for the have-nots in society.
     
  14. Craig20264

    Craig20264 Well-Known Member

    Fascinating read that Mike, and almost unbelievable, almost!
     
  15. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Ken Clarke and Malcolm Rifkind have far too much experience of the media to be caught out by an open microphone in a Sky studio.:)
     
  16. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

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  17. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Another reason for Brexit support - dive in value of £ means foreign owned assets/stocks worth more on UK market. Helps some folk along.
     
  18. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

  19. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    I have decided to keep all the US dollars that I have left over from my holiday...they are going to become useful.

    On the positive side, I see that the Royal Bank of Scotland have saved 900m by buying dollars just before our descent.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36722553
    Smart move.

    Otherwise, our face continues to benefit from the self removal of our nose...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business



    Graeme
     
  20. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    And you can bet shares in laxative products will drop through the bottom:D
    No-one who has the slightest idea of what is to come needs them any more.
     

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