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Disappointed with my Canon sx210

Discussion in 'General Equipment Chat & Advice' started by Shaun1970, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. Shaun1970

    Shaun1970 Well-Known Member

    Well, here's the thing. I bought a Canon sx210 about 3 weeks ago as i found out that football clubs only allow point & shoot cameras into the ground. My problem is that now after visiting a local wildlife centre I am also wanting to photograph the birds and animals that are around. I've taken a few pictures with my P&S Canon and the zoom just isnt good enough for things like Chaffinches and Robins etc. So I am looking at getting a DSLR for my walks and natural visits. The main trouble is price, as I am not working at the minute due to illness and being a single parent as well I can only save around the £300 price mark (possibly going up another 50 quid). What i'd like to know is if anyone knows of a good quality and relatively silent camera. I was looking at one, but was slightly put off by the customer saying that the click of the button was no good for wildlife and birds.
     
  2. Scphoto

    Scphoto Well-Known Member

    You could try the new sx30 it's around £350 and has 35x zoom!

    It has been reviewed in this weeks AP, which might have a bit more info for you.

    A dslr and decent zoom will cost a lot more than £350
     
  3. Shaun1970

    Shaun1970 Well-Known Member

    Thank you scphoto, i'll take a look :)
     
  4. bob58

    bob58 Well-Known Member

    have you seen this site Shaun camerapricebuster its a good benchmark of costs
    a dslr to do all what you want is going to cost you £s in the end, most of us start with a kit and progress over the years, i think the market is generally split into 3 groups, compact,bridge,dslr, if dslr is beyond your budget consider looking at some of the bridge cameras, at the end of the day compromises have to be done, years into my hobby budget still means most of us have to make decisions on what you might consider lesser kit.

    it is very easy to chase the latest kit, just sit back practice find out what the limitations of your current kit is learn to use it and enjoy, give yourself some time

    an example, i have seen stunning shots of wild life, lens 500m f4 at £5000+ would i like one yes, would it make me better photographer no, can i afford it no, did i win the lottery no, :D
     
  5. AlexMonro

    AlexMonro Old Grand Part Deux

    Shaun, maybe you should consider looking at second hand equipment. Many camera shops have some second hand kit that they've taken as trade ins, and usually offer some form of guarantee. The savings on DSLR bodies tend to be rather more (40-60% typically over last new price) than on lenses (15-25%).

    If you want to get in to wildlife, you'll need a long lens. Pentax (Samsumg are almost identical to corresponding Pentax models) are particularly good for backwards compatibility with old lenses, so you might be able to find a DSLR body and a manual focus 300-400mm lens that would still give you auto exposure within your budget.

    A couple of dealers who specialise in second hand kit who I've dealt with happily:

    Ffordes
    Mifsuds
     
  6. Shaun1970

    Shaun1970 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Bob and Alex for the advice, I've bookmarked the pages so I can keep going back to them. I especially like the idea of second hand gear Alex, it is actually something that I never thought about (I wonder if they'd take my Canon sx210 in part ex?) :)
     
  7. Steve52

    Steve52 Well-Known Member

    You could, with a bit of shopping around, pick up a s/hand Sony A100. IMHO, the A100 does produce some good pics.

    Also, any Minolta lens is compatible with the Sony. Also Sigma,Tokina and Tamron produce Sony compatible lens.
     
  8. AlexMonro

    AlexMonro Old Grand Part Deux

    Probably, depending on how good nick it's in, but they might not give you much for it. :(

    Check the adverts in the back of AP for other dealers doing s/hand & p/ex.
     
  9. Shaun1970

    Shaun1970 Well-Known Member

    Thank you Steve, I've had a look at one on Amazon and a couple of examples and it does look quite an excellant camera. I will really consider the A100. I'm really grateful for the info and will carry on taking notice :)
     
  10. AlexMonro

    AlexMonro Old Grand Part Deux

    I think it's just the autofocus Minolta lenses that are compatible, not the old manual ones.

    A good thing about Sony, and all but the oldest Pentax, DSLRs is that anti shake is built in to the body, so you get the benefit even with old lenses.
     
  11. Wheelu

    Wheelu Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't worry about shutter noise. I have photographed birds with a DSLR that makes a racket, and used a flashgun, and the birds don't seem to be bothered at all. What does cause consternation is movement or the appearance of a sparrow hawk ;)

    You can now pick up a used Canon 20D 8MP camera for less than £150 second hand, that leaves you £150 for a lens. In truth the lens is going to be much more of a problem than the camera, as, unlike DSLRs, decent glass holds its value.

    If you are prepared to contemplate a manual focus lens (get into your hide, prefocus on a well used perch and wait, patience will prevail! ) then you could get an elderly but reasonable Pentax, Olympus or Nikon manual focus lens that would fit a Canon body with an adapter. Some old Tamron lenses (the SP series in particular) are worth looking at, and they can be fitted to a range of different bodies using the Tamron Adaptall system.

    Thinking about this you might consider buying the lens first and then buying a used body to suit. The early DSLRs of most manufacturers are to be had quite cheaply now.

    Take a look at completed auctions on Ebay to see how much used lenses go for. Realistically you need a minimum focal length of 300mm.

    Alternatively a used mirror lens could be had for less than £100, but that's for a reason. They have a single fixed aperture, they are not as good optically as a conventional lens, while the out of focus bits can be ugly. Again Tamron have a reasonable reputation in this field.
     
  12. cat1989

    cat1989 Member

    i recently purchased a second hand canon 350d with a 28-300mm lens for £220 so there are deals out there you just have to find them i also got a cf card and a bag with it great deal loving every minute of use. good luck in finding the right camera for you.
     
  13. Shaun1970

    Shaun1970 Well-Known Member

    That certainly seems like a great deal Cat :)

    I hope you dont mind me asking, but what do you use it for (I know this much, i doubt its a table stand or a plant pot :D ). I'm looking at taking wildlife and maybe portraits eventually. What sort of distance does the quality begin to wane with birds etc?

    Shaun
     
  14. Wheelu

    Wheelu Well-Known Member

    There is no such thing as a free lunch, in essence you get what you pay for. A 28-300 lens will produce photos that will be perfectly acceptable in certain circumstances, but read this review before parting with your cash.
     
  15. swanseadave

    swanseadave Well-Known Member

    I`ll echo what Steve52 said.I bought a S/H A100 last June and got 12 month`s warranty.It`s my first dSLR and I love it.
    It really is an excellent camera and there are plenty of af Minolta lenses around.
     

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