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D6 has arrived...sort of D5ish

Discussion in 'Nikon Chat' started by AndyTake2, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

  2. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Its slightly interesting to see what they have done and what might be transferred to a D850 update should they deign to make one. I am not in the target group for the D6 and do not know what that group thinks of it. I will never buy a D5 or D6. If someone gave me one then I would immediately trade it in.
     
  3. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I was hoping for a higher pixel count, say 24 MP. The changes, as far as I can see, wouldn't be enough to make me trade a D5 for a D6 (if I had a D5). It seems to me that the D6 is more of a D5s than anything it certainly doesn't move the goal posts. However if I were given one I would make good use of it though of the two I would prefer a D5.
     
  4. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    But do the people who use these cameras want more pixels? Moving pixels across comms links costs time. 20Mp jpegs that leave the camera without need of editing are the goal. Some of these users will have somewhat battered D5s (that's D5 plural) with huge shutter counts and are coming up to 4 years old. They are ready for replacement.
    The new AF module may be a significant improvement and Nikon may want to spread the development cost with a D850 replacement. Such a camera could also have an improved live view and video AF by using the existing sensor from the Z7.
     
  5. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    I think Learning has hit the nail on the head here - this is for sports and photojournalism.
    Huge pixel counts are pretty useless if they are to go in a newspaper or on the web, and keeping the pixies down means better light-gathering.
    One of the main features is that it is possible to record 2 jpegs at once, one high quality, one low. The low can then be prioritised to be sent straight to wherever it is needed (news outlet etc) whilst the other can reside on the camera for post-processing.

    Something else I have noticed whilst having a quick look at the camera at WEX, is that WEX are now listing fewer Nikon models - hopefully Nikon will have learned that having loads of similar models is bloody pointless.
     
  6. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I don't think 24MP is a "huge pixel count" and it is incrementally larger than the D5 by a very modest amount. Additionally the extra pixels might be expected to give picture editors more freedom to crop images. One has to hope that Nikon have done their homework and concluded the 20MP is enough.

    My problem with the D6 is that it is aimed at a narrower market sector than any of its predecessors and thus needs to be exceptionally good to attract customers. The changes from the D5 appear to me to narrow its appeal rather than broaden it. I hope it is a success but at first glance the EOS 1DX iii seems to have the edge.
     
  7. IanG1957

    IanG1957 Well-Known Member

    Personally I can't see the "improvements" warrant the 1000$ difference in price. However, if they had included IBIS, this would have been a different story (IMHO)
     
  8. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    900 second exposure? Need a damn great ND grad for that one:D
     
  9. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I can certainly agree with that.
    Not sure where that would be useful, a candle in in a coal mine perhaps.
     
  10. beatnik69

    beatnik69 Well-Known Member

    A friend of mine has a long exposure seascape called "900 Seconds of Time". I forget how many photos I managed to take in the time that he shot that one. :D
     
  11. IanG1957

    IanG1957 Well-Known Member

    Over-qualifications always amuse me...brings to mind Maggie Reilly singing "4am in the Morning…" (Moonlight Shadow by Mike Oldfield) as if 4am could be at any other time.

    900 seconds of distance? Temperature?

    But I digress….
     
  12. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    Well digressing even further - it could be an angle:p
     
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  13. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    https://blog.nikoneurope.com/en_gb/2020/02/testing-the-nikon-d6-with-matthias-hangst/

    This guy is a Nikon ambassador but nevertheless represents the sort of customer to whom the D6 is aimed.
    How would IBIS help Matthias Hangst? His subjects move quickly. In many situations even VR in the lens is no help. He needs good light gathering to attain high shutter speeds. That implies wide apertures which in turn implies a need for fast accurate AF with good tracking.

    I noticed his need to get good jpegs out of the camera quickly. Again that is not something that most of us require. Good jpegs might be nice to have but I guess that most enthusiasts on here have the opportunity to work raw images in order to get even closer to their personal ideal representation of their images. It really doesn't matter what most of us think about the D6. A D860 using the same improvements would be a different matter. IBIS might matter. I would expect a D860 with IBIS to be larger than a D850 and also cost nearly as much as a D6.
     
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  14. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    Nikon have bought the Sony 60MP sensor, so it's likely that the D860 is likely to have this. IBIS would be very useful here, as the photo-cells are going to be pretty small, and the extra stabilisation would really help.
    It is likely to be a bit bigger than the D850, but whether that pushes the price towards the D6 is anyone's guess.
     
  15. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    How do you know that? Who, indeed, are "us" in this context? A good JPEG format file is exactly what I want.
     
  16. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Its not the size that pushes the price but complexity. Yes IBIS would matter here and also Z type AF for live view. The market would be larger than that for a D6 and that pulls price back as happened with the D850.

    Sure, ultimately a jpeg is usually needed. A large number of enthusiasts who post on this site express an interest in the use of raw files. I suggest that such people are in the majority. Many posted images have the exif data intact and this usually indicates some processing. Processing jpegs has disadvantages unless one is just cropping or resizing. The 'Us' refers to the people who post on the site. Note that I stated most of us. Most does not mean all. There are always many exceptions to broad generalisations.
     
  17. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I'll continue to think otherwise pending further information.
     
  18. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Think what you like but note my bold italicised quote below.
    I very much doubt we amateurs have a need to get good JPEGs out of the camera QUICKLY, good JPEGs out of the camera, very possibly. Quickly? Almost certainly not, nobody is trying to get a scoop on our images I suggest.
     
  19. IanG1957

    IanG1957 Well-Known Member

    Going way, way back (in this thread) I still can't come to terms with the relatively minor (yes...) modifications "creating" a new camera model. This is a D5s.

    (Not that any of this makes the slightest difference to me - aside from concert work, I've "gone" mirrorless - suits me down to the ground)
     
  20. IanG1957

    IanG1957 Well-Known Member

    Heeka-1s.jpg


    Just to A: make this thread more colorful, and B: prove I do actually get out of bed and use my gear sometimes...

    Shot on Saturday evening (29.02.20) D3s 24-120 f/4 8000 ISO

    It's ok, I'm leaving...:)
     

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