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D6 Anybody?

Discussion in 'Nikon Chat' started by GeoffR, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

  2. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

  3. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    If is is priced like the PF500, seeing it is probably all we will do!
  4. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

  5. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    If not the last gasp, then possibly the last top of the range DLSR. Personally I hope it shakes loose a few low count D5s.
  6. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Good luck Geoff. You may well be lucky. Neither camera is up my street but I realise that both are exactly what many people want. I use a brace of D500. What I would like, and will not get, is a firmware update that mirrors the D5 update for AF and focus merge. I would not buy a D500 replacement. The future is mirrorless. The D6 will be the DSLR equivalent of the F6. DSLR RIP. Sad isn't it? Not really.
  7. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I have had the D1X, D2H, D2X, D2Xs, D3 and now the D4, it would be nice to complete the set.
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  8. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    The problem with any SLR type camera, whether digital or film is the flapping mirror, which can induce vibration and requires a mechanism to operate it, which also results in noise, as well as adding to the mechanical complexity of the camera. The DSLR in essence has not really evolved, it is still like a film version, but with a sensor instead of the film plane and film. The mirrorless camera has been designed as a digital camera from the outset, the main problem area in operational terms being the EVF, these have improved greatly and presumably there is still some further lift to come, the advantage being able to see where you are in exposure terms, under certain conditions I prefer them, others not.

    I have to say I do like to use a film SLR at times, I recently put a roll of XP2 through a Nikon FE2 and it was pleasant going back to basics.

    Once the mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses was developed it was clear that the supremacy of the DSLR was going to wane, perhaps it will be faster than any of use currently imagines.
  9. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    It isn't a problem, it is the essence. I agree mirrorless cameras are less mechanically complicated. I look forward to the next generation EVF, current ones are getting very close to matching optical finders. I suspect that a really good EVF and the electronics to support it is quite expensive to make. Entry/mid-level DSLRs might stay around for some time for this reason. Of course, increasingly, people don't use the viewfinder so this consideration may diminish.
  10. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    Perhaps it is both the essence and the problem! The cost of the EVF is like many over time, it drops with development and economy of scale.

    I find use of a rear screen instead of a vf virtually impossible, rendering it difficult to see the screen properly, let alone hold it anywhere near level. I do not own any camera that relies on this method, it does clearly reduce the cost of manufacture, but for me it is a no-no.
  11. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    A truism that needs to be clarified. The future of interchangeable lens camera manufacture is almost certainly mirrorless but sales of used cameras exceed those of new, not sure the proportions. That means SLRs will be the dominant interchangeable lens camera “in use” for a while yet. The mirror is only as much of a problem as you want it to be, sure there are circumstances where it gets in the way but most people probably don’t even notice.

    If the D6 is the digital equivalent of the F6 it will be around for a while. Last time I looked Nikon still listed the F6 as in production!

    Irrespective of the fact that mirrorless cameras are available, DSLRs are no less capable than they were before the Z6 and Z7 were launched.

    So I think the D6 will appeal to those users with F mount lenses who aren’t ready for, or aren’t fussed about, mirrorless. I know that, for me, mirrorless represents an unjustifiable expense, I doubt I am alone.
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  12. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    The Rugby World Cup is just about to start in Japan, and the Olympics will be there next year. Expect the D6 and Canon 1DX Mk III to be in the hands of some pros for the former, and on general release for the latter. I also think the Canon mirrorless equivalent will be at the Olympics, if not the RWC, and possibly Nikon will do the same.

    If you look at the mirror mechanisms of this type of camera, you will see that actually they have evolved enormously from the time of film SLRs. The use of specialised motors and mapped acceleration/deceleration of the mirror has allowed far faster burst speeds and less vibration than would otherwise be the case, and at those speeds, the phase detect AF systems are still more reliable than on-sensor systems, so it's not really a surprise that the DSLR continues to dominate for high-end sports shooting.
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  13. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I've chosen electronic finders over optical ones for several years now.
    I don't use one all the time but I think it's a useful facility - equivalent to the waist level finders of Rolleiflexes and Hasselblads but much more convenient.
  14. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    I first used one in 2014, and my latest is in a Fuji XH-1 which is pretty much state of the art. For things that move it still isn't as good as my 1Div but that is indeed a specialised sport camera.

    This is much as I see it. The only time I use the rear LCD view is with the XH-1 and it pulled out and the camera resting on something. I use a right angled finder on my DSLRs, usually when they are on a tripod.
  15. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    If you ever get the chance you may find it interesting to try Panasonic's G9. Fitted with a lens like the 100-400 it's as fast as I need...

    Panasonic G9 8GB 06 P1010409.JPG
  16. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

    If you’d used a dslr you would have got a shot of it head on :p
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  17. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    Or even shot in the head by the pilot....:rolleyes:
  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I find it safer to take head on shots when the pilot's gone for a bio-break...

    Panasonic G9 8GB 08 P1012276.JPG
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  19. JMK

    JMK Active Member

    I still prefer my F6

    What's more it doesn't loose it's value like a 3rd world country in a crisis.
  20. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I'm amazed by some of the prices being asked for film cameras. What's more, at least a few of them are being sold at those prices! I may have to put some of my old kit up for sale.

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