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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Derek W, Jan 31, 2020.

  1. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, a new product from Sweden:


    Don't think shelves available as an optional extra...
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2020
  2. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    That's in rather bad taste. It would be worthy of Private Eye.
    Keep up the good work.
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  3. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I wonder how you can possibly know that. I'm no expert on the oil industry but I do know about parts explosions and supply chains. There are far more people involved in most industries (including oil and gas) than a casual observer might surmise.
  5. LesleySM

    LesleySM Well-Known Member

    There were quite a few people around Central London this evening with banners
  6. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Several issues in two groups.
    1. The killing appears to be murder but the alleged murderer has not yet been tried. It looked like deliberate killing but the officer concerned has only been charged with 3rd degree murder which is really just what we would call manslaughter. The officer has been found guilty by the mob, not a court.
    2. The victim was unarmed and not putting up any resistance; he was already in handcuffs.
    3. The victim himself is alleged to have passed a fake $20 note. This does not in any way excuse the officers' over reaction. The victim is perhaps better described as defenceless rather than innocent.
    Second group of issues concerns the 'protestors' .
    1. Most were protestors; some were opportunistic looters; some seem to be members of a group of anarchists who pretend to be anti-fascists.
    2. Corona virus restrictions were broken on a large scale. This is quite understandable due to the extreme anger of the protestors.
    3. A number of people in that crowd will almost certainly die as a result of covid19 caught during the protest.
    All that doesn't help you much does it? You have grounds for not knowing how to feel about it.
  7. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Racism exists in Britain so the people with banners in London is not surprising.
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  8. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Racism in Britain + deaths of black people at the hands of police...

  9. LesleySM

    LesleySM Well-Known Member

    The key word is "alleged" , it has not been proven the note was fake or indeed that he knew it was fake (some fake banknotes are pretty good, he could have got it up from someone else in all innocence) and even if he did know then what followed is still not justified.

    What amazes me is apparently the reason the cop is charged with 3rd degree manslaughter is kneeling on someone's neck when they are face down is an allowed method of restraint by that police department....
  10. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    1. Now second degree, and the other officers with him as aiding and abetting.
    3. No evidence yet presented. We have however seen video of cops forcing a fun into the hand of someone they pinned down so they could accuse them of crimes. We've seen cops driving into crowds of protesters. We've seen murders of protestors and attempted murders of protestors with the culprits released without charge. We've seen cops making white supremacist gestures. We've seen cops kneeling with protestors and then masking up and tear gassing and beating them. But I digress... Point is he is best described as innocent as he has yet to be tried.

    4. Anarchists are inherently anti-fascist. Plenty of anarchists have taken part in the protests. There are many black anarchists and communists (BPP for example) and they are generally welcomed by protestors. There was a curious case of a fake antifa twitter account which called for particular violence but guess what, it was run by fascists as a false flag (linked to Identity Evropa).

    There's a lot of stuff going on there, much of which cannot be taken at face value (undercover cops filmed systematically smashing windows for example). And yes, there will be some folk along for the ride. But property damage is seemingly the only language authority listens to - Stonewall for LGBT, civil rights riots for black rights, suffragettes for women's rights etc.

    It's way past time to listen.
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  11. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    C&R [what used to be called control and restraint] used to be carried out in this country by three staff minimum and involved taking the person to the ground face down and their arms held in locks at the sides. Several people died as a result, the recommended practice ten years ago was changed to face up.

    Why? Lie on your front, hold your arms either behind your back or bent at the elbow as if you have your hands on your hips with hands facing towards your head.

    Now try to breathe normally. The practice restricts breathing a lot at the best of times. If someone has physical problems or is very agitated, then the position can be, and sometimes was, lethal. To then kneel on someone's neck at the same time is simply going to massively add to breathing difficulties.

    On top of that, if someone states they cannot breathe, the holds must be changed [in this country at least] For that cop to continue when the victim was crying he could not breathe should be considered nothing less than murder.

  12. LesleySM

    LesleySM Well-Known Member

    Apparently the cop kept kneeling for 3 minutes after he stopped moving
  13. LesleySM

    LesleySM Well-Known Member

    Even just trying that whilst sitting upright I could feel it was a a bit harder to breathe, not going to try it lying down , might lead to an inquest
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  14. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    Looks like Jacob and his chums made the right decision in shutting down remote voting.....

    It doesn't matter if this clown s test comes back negative, its a perfect illustration of why this government cant be trusted with our safety.

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  15. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

    Under the test & trace policy do they all have to isolate for 14 days or until he has a negative result?
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  16. AGW

    AGW Well-Known Member

    He was in the cabinet meeting on Tuesday..... result.

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  17. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Don't worry about Boris. He has already had it. On the other hand there is not yet proof that a previous infection does give immunity.
    I wonder if the cabinet will develop herd immunity.
  18. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    As if!
  19. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Anybody that trusts any government with their safety is clearly weak-minded, and deserves none.
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  20. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Damn' Corona virus!

    My local gym was supposed to open last Monday, and it didn't.

    I’m a bit angry I couldn’t go, since this makes 15 years in a row now!

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