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Close call

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by John King, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

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  2. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Even as an ex cop (TBH even as a serving one), I hate the way we are going. Wanting the public to be like this, encouraging them to post their videos. At times for certain things and events the video evidence is obviously great, but the feel of the need for every Tom, Dick, and Harriet to upload all their videos of infringements that they feel that other drivers have committed really grips my shit.
    Perhaps some of the idiots driving their cars with their cameras and big mirrors have in fact caused someone to drive badly in the first place (admittedly that is no excuse as such).

    We all make mistakes. Even if you were unfortunate to be seen by a real police officer, the chance is (unless totally dangerous) you'd get a bollocking anyway. There is always discretion.
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  3. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    Err show me they cables they are NOT hard wired into the electrics so I DISPUTE that

    My toaster, washing machine, TV are not "hard wired" into the house mains no ones is, show me the problem here then tell every seller in the UK garage etc that it is wrong, oh where are the wires here and it is NOT hard wired it is plugged in, to "hard wire" means disconnecting the battery and actually wiring an item into the cars junction box IMG_20200812_182446040.jpg IMG_20200812_182453513.jpg IMG_20200812_182508296.jpg Dscn0854.jpg Dscn0853.jpg
  4. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    Well as an "ex cop" you would love it if someone caught a Police officer being assaulted ON VID that could help with a prosecution or perhaps you .................

    Enough said
  5. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Enough said.

    Actually no, not enough, lol.

    We are specifically talking about RTA infringements and Operation Snap.
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  6. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    May be, just may be, if we required anyone wanting to report a traffic infringement had to supply the recorder and the data card fewer people would be willing to do so. The receiving agency could then arrange to prosecute the camera owner for his/her infringements at the same time as acting against others shown in the video. John 8 v7 anyone.
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  7. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    I agree. Encouraging vigilantes isn’t healthy and the appeal for “dash-cam footage” now seems to accompany every newsworthy event. For cars I see a dash cam as a defence against insurance fraud where accidents are deliberately arranged to entrap someone. I’m a trained defensive driver and other people’s really bad driving is something to be anticipated but I still see situations unfold, like very aggressive tail-gating, where the offender really needs dealing with. This is not tailgating of me but cases of deliberate bullying/intimidation of other drivers. Dash-cam footage can help here. On a bicycle I think there is a case for driver education that camera footage/advisory measures can help save someone from injury. The main issue with close passing is that some drivers don’t know they’ve done it. They aren’t aware of their vehicle width or how much room a cyclist needs. Eventually someone will get hurt.
  8. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Stephen, arguing with an avionics specialist that hard wiring isn't necessary may not be the best idea. I am, as you will have seen, well aware of what Hard Wired means. Interestingly it may not mean what you think it does. A hard wired device may have several connectors between itself and its power source, they will just be properly supported and secured. So, in the case of a dash cam, I would run a cable from a spare fuse holder to a suitable point in the car where I could connect to the camera's power supply unit, the cable from the PSU would then be run along, and secured to, the vehicles existing wiring to the camera location. Then I would run another cable from a suitable earth point to the PSU. Not hugely different from what you have done but there is zero risk of damage to the cables and they are hidden from prying eyes.

    I am sure you will appreciate that the following is rather blunt but I think your cabling is a mess. That is a professional opinion by the way, yours is better than many wiring jobs I have seen.
  9. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    Amazing, you say "arguing with an avionics specialist that hard wiring isn't necessary may not be the best idea"

    That does not make you the font of all knowledge of all things, even scientists argue and disagree daily on matters as has been seen in the CV epidemic, scientists, electricians, builders all qualified, I can name three professional plumbers and two electricians who have all disagreed wit the others work :), sorry and as my car is my car and not a Taxi or business vehicle I am happy so thank you, I am also not an idiot.

    My towbar was fitted by a so called "wiring specialist" at Renault and later I was told that it was one of the worst jobs someone had seen, being a "professional" does not make one perfect

    I "pulled the cables out" to show in the photograph !!!!!!!! it would have been pointless taking a photograph of nothing would it not, then put them back ;)
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  10. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    Especially if it were reported and acted upon then the defence wanted to see the original recording and it had been wiped and only the copy were available, they would be quite within their rights to suggest that the incident as shown on the copy is not what actually happened. There is virtually no way of proving otherwise, so beyond reasonable doubt is 'out of the window'!
  11. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I did say yours was better than some I have seen. I certainly wasn't intending to suggest that you are an idiot, I might be though, I should have realised that you were showing how you had run the cables. However, the curly cable is still a risk. The reason I would not be happy with your wiring is that I have no idea what is behind the trim that might damage the cables. As you say it is your car. Are you removing the cameras when you get the new one?
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2020
  12. Petrochemist

    Petrochemist Well-Known Member

    I suppose if i had one I would have got some photos of the Buzzard that swooped in front of my car the week before last, but other than that I'd find very little use for one.
    I rarely have to contend with busy roads (at least in my own car) & no longer do much motorway driving.
    I do see a few prats on the road, but they're normally giving of enough warnings that I can give them enough space.
  13. Petrochemist

    Petrochemist Well-Known Member

    I saw one this morning, I think it was on a short stretch of dual carriageway, but If I'm remembering wrong he'd have been on dual carriage way again in a few miles. :)
    No motorways near me so the plod have to get where they're going on other roads. They certainly patrol the A12 too.
  14. John King

    John King Well-Known Member

    Plenty on the A1 last Tuesday morning and after I reported the debris in the road via 101 phone, one was with me in 10 minutes. They and Highways agency staff stopped the flow of traffic on the A1 southbound just north of Newark to retrieve the tyre carcass and then let it flow again. After 3 minute total stop it took about 15 before it cleared and I was able to get to the next roundabout to return home.

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