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Cambo 5x4 with 210mm

Discussion in 'Everything Film' started by downfader, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    I have a manfrotto 055pro set of legs and a 141rc head. According to my instructions they will take 6kg. Should I feel that this is unsuitable I'll have to invest in extra gear, but I've been reassured by 3 shops that my tripod setup is fine, thank god! :D

    Crikey 7.2kg for the MPP? :eek: I'm so glad I didnt buy one of them now, lol! There again I havent actually bought the thing yet (rubs hands with glee)
     
  2. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    What I think I'll do is sacrifice a sheet to practise with (must go down the local tommorow and see what they have so I'm prepared), which I can also take with me as Steven (SMB) has suggested.

    TBH I have no idea what a Grafmatic is, lol! I have heard the name though. :)When I get the camera I will try and do more research on it (as I did with my Ilfords and Kodak No3a).

    I will need to get a roll film back later, as some of the Ilford films I like to use dont seem to come in 5x4 (Pan F, Delta 3200, etc). Also Kodak and Fuji only do certain 5x4 sheets, which is understandable - why would a pro or most serious enthusiasts want to use Neopan 1600 in 5x4.

    Must start flogging off the junk down the car boot to raise a few pennies towards the little things :D
     
  3. Steve_Bell

    Steve_Bell Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    I've had my 5x4 Toyo 45A for about 18 months now and thoroughly enjoy using it. Before that I had a Sinar F monorail, but it was just to awkward to carry any distance then reassemble before use. A couple of points, the 65mm F8 Super Angulon mentioned much earlier, it barely covers 5x4 and without a centre filter you will see slight vignetting in the corners. No problem if it's used with a 6x7 back. Quickloads and ready loads, I invested in these before I accumulated plenty of film holders. They are expensive new, but can often be bought cheap off eBay slightly out of date. I have bought these and sheet film when I can at a good price, then they go in the freezer prior to use. I've had them flapping in the wind before, that concerns me. I've also pulled a quickload in a Polaroid 545 holder, and seen a ripple in the film, it wasn't 100% flat. I then put the wasted film in a film holder, it looked 100% flat. Now I tend to prefer film holders, I can carry 8, 16 sheets of film, in my back pack. If needed, I can have another 30 holders in a big cool bag in the boot of the car, or use a Calumet changing tent to unload/load in daylight. They are good, much cheaper than the Harrison tents. When new to 5x4, don't rush into a purchase, research and ask questions re any doubts. If it means missing a bargain, no problem, it could stop you making a wrong purchase, and another bargain will always be along later.
     
  4. Iloca

    Iloca Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    Dan,
    this is a Grafmatic
    http://www.graflex.org/speed-graphic/grafmatic/

    Basically it has 6 holders, each taking a sheet of film. The holders go into a cassette, each time you cycle the darkslide, out & in it moves a holder (septum) to the top and moves the previous top sheet to the bottom. After 6 cycles the darkslide locks. When you want to remove the film you unlock the catch and it opens like a drawer allowing you to remove the 6 septums. They were made by Graflex for use on Speed/Crown Graphic Press Cameras. No longer available new they are easily obtained on ebay although they still cost around £50. I bought mine from the US.

    Here's another link.

    www.largeformatphotography.info

    Richard
     
  5. pilliwinks

    pilliwinks Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    My experience obviously differs from yours. I did find it tricky at first, but I don't have any trouble now. I have observed that not all DDSs are equal though; I have mainly Fidelity but I do have 1 Toyo and that is easily recognised in the dark because it is noticeably easier to load than the others.

    I don't have much recent experience with loading 35mm film, but I find loading a DDS much easier than loading 120 film onto a Paterson spiral.
     
  6. pilliwinks

    pilliwinks Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    One point that hasn't come up here is what you do with the exposed sheets when you unload the DDS. I put them into an empty film box (with the word "exposed" clearly written on it) until I am ready to process them (unless I am unloading directly to a developing tank).

    I standardly use PanF - I started when its stablemates were FP3 and HP3 - in 120. I would use it in 5x4 if it were available, simply because I like it, but I'm quite accustomed to FP4 now. There is quite a range of films available in 5x4, including stuff you can't get in smaller sizes.
     
  7. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    The grafmatic looks interesting. Looks like an old lunchbox :eek: Maybe later after I've bought the other stuff and got settled :)

    I've seen http://www.largeformatphotography.info/ many times. The tiny text on the screen is a pain though, but I did get through several hours of reading it, lol! Quite how much I've absorbed is another matter ;)
     
  8. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    Exposed sheets - already thought of that. I noticed that Retro Photographic sell "dark bags". I'll be going to try and track some 5x4 down tommorrow, ready for the weekend, and so will ask anyway.

    I noticed that Delta 100 is available in 5x4 (according to Ilford), maybe I'll rate that at 50? Maybe not /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Anyway, whatever I do use it will probably be whatever I can a) get my hands on and b) whatever is cheapest. Atleast for the time being until I get my confidence up :)

    On Retro Photographic's website it says "Adox CHs 25 5x4 £19.99 50 sheets" Thats very reasonable. Just under 40p a sheet. A roll 135 works out as 8p a neg for my delta 100. I quite like that website.

    I have also noticed that HP5 is available, but no referances to Delta 400 which is a sharper film (as far as I can tell). Anyway, I'm babbling now, lol!
     
  9. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!


    Well, sure - but the comparison was with 35mm, which is vastly easier than 120.
     
  10. Iloca

    Iloca Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    Hi,

    I was intending to save the box my film came in for that reason, do you think it's worth keeping the paper to seperate the exposed sheets?

    Richard
     
  11. Steve_Bell

    Steve_Bell Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    I've used Ilford, Fuji and Kodak 5x4 film only, and there was no paper between the sheets, just 3 sections of the box, the film bag and either 2 pieces of card or 1 folded as a stiffener.

    One problem that may be encountered when first starting to use LF film is the return of film boxes, these are very useful. You might want to just have a few sheets processed, post them away to a lab, and the box is never returned. Using a local 'walk in' lab I've never had problems with returning boxes. Using Quickloads you don't see these problems, but then only have 2 B&W films avaiable. If you buy Fuji film in 50 sheet boxes, the box contains 2 sealed bags of 25. Is this common with other film manufactures boxes of 50 or 100?
     
  12. AJUK

    AJUK Well-Known Member

    No I don't think so, you would still have to make a very big enlagerment inorder to see the grain even if you could get it in sheet film, one idea could be to push HP5 a few stops.
     
  13. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    I found two films that come close, one was indeed HP5, and the other was Rollei R3. The R3 costs a fortune, but I still want to try it. :)
     

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