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Cambo 5x4 with 210mm

Discussion in 'Everything Film' started by downfader, Jan 24, 2006.

  1. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    I've just seen this: "Used Cambo 5x4 monorail with 210mm f/5.6 Apo-sironar N lens" on one of AP's advertisers websites. I think I'm going to make an enquiry as it looks a meaty beast and is going for £450

    210mm - whats that in 35mm terms? By my calculations (if 150mm is considered a "standard" by most companies) if I divide it by three I get an approximation of 70mm in 35mm format.. is this about right? Sounds ideal for flower photography. :D
  2. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    That's about right, except that 50mm is a 'long standard' for 35mm photography, whereas 150mm is a 'true standard' for 5x4. 210mm is considered a 'standard' for studio work by many - it gives that natural perspective for close work. I use a 210mm as a close or macro lens on 5x4. The Apo Sironar N is an excellent example of the genre, but better suited to normal distance work than close stuff - it is optimised for 20:1 magnification. Of the Rodenstock 'normal' lenses, the Apo Sironar S is the one for closer work - optimised for 10:1.
  3. pilliwinks

    pilliwinks Well-Known Member

    Have you checked the size, weight, and transportabilty?
  4. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Cheers Huw. I might try and "bat him down" to take the lens off and lower the price if he replies, then.
  5. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Well I have sent a preliminary email asking about it, also asking about several other things including how it may work with my bowens (if at all, lol).

    If he (the guy in the shop) replies and all is satisfactory I may go for it, though it is a commision sale with 1 month warranty.. Dale something or other the shop is called, its always got a 1 page ad in AP

    If I feel at any stage that its not what I want I'll simply save up an extra 300 quid and buy a Wista 45DX III that I've seen on Robert White (which is about £885 with VAT, but then no lens)

    Anyway, just waiting now /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
  6. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    Flash sync is a function of the shutter, rather than anything to do with the camera. Any shutter manufactured in the last half century or more will sync in the normal way with any kind of flash that can be triggered by a conventional PC cord.

    Why spend that much? You can pick up a used 5x4 field camera in decent condition for half that money, and that would comfortably leave you enough to pay for the lens and other things you are likely to need.
  7. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Its trying to find something that I feel is suitable, both for me and for my current gear. I havent seen many field cameras at a price that I can afford, even second hand. LOL, I looked up Joe Cornish's Ebony on the web to see how much that cost :eek: Never again will I look up a camera like that, I think I managed to wet myself it was so expensive (£3500)

    And some of the field cameras I can afford seem never to be able to take the wide angle lenses under 90mm? Is this because of the camera design, or does changing the lens board make a difference?

    What I would really like is a field camera, nice wide angle or standard to start with, a roll film back for 6x7. The DDS's and some nice film. If I could get all that for a reasonable price I'd be happy. :)

    I'm glad that the PC sync would work, though.

    I've also seen these wide angles at http://www.secondhanddarkroom.co.uk

    I have no idea if they're any good. 5.6 does seem bright for wideangle, but would I really need it for landscape? I'm presuming the brightness is only to aid the composition. And £245 does seem very reasonable for 65mm, other sites I have been to seem a lot more.

    Anyway, I'm still searching so you never know :D
  8. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    I know what you mean by the cost of new 5x4 cameras. I've restricted myself to quite old MPP gear which I've found affordable, and have been quite impressed with the design and workmanship. OK, I've yet to handle a Linhof or Sinar in comparison!

    As with a cropped digital sensor, you'll lose proper wide angle if you use a 6x7 film holder.

    I have a 90 f8 Super Angulon on my MPP Microtechnical Mk VI, and used outside with me under a dark cloth, it is possible to focus. The results are good as well, perhaps not quite as snappy as I get using my 150 f5.6 Sironar N, but certainly OK. On the MK VI the 90 f8 is fitted in a recessed lens board, and this allows the front rails to drop away out of view.
    This morning I received the MPP 5x4 Monorail outfit from XMV. Now that's seriously heavy! And is definitely my largest camera so far!
    But, it's beautifully made, and apart from the odd scratch and a missing couple of small screws, in very good condition. It even came with a lens, a symmetrical 7in f5.6 Wray Lustrar. On the monorail, there's a set of additional bag bellows (supplied) for really wide angles. I haven't checked yet whether the 90 f8 works in the standard lens board with normal bellows.

    If you do go for a really wide angle, you may need a centre filter to balance out the light loss in the corners. They tend to be specific to certain lenses, and can cost £100 or more.
    Good hunting
  9. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    How funny! I'm sure thats one of the cameras I emailed MXV about a couple of weeks ago. If thats the camera that was about £150-190 then that sounds like the one. :D I decided not to buy as it did sound too heavy. :D

    Center filters, right. I think I remember Waite talking about that in one of his Photography Monthly articles. Looking at the 90mm shots in AP this month (Cornish again, how cool is that bloke! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif) I could get away with it, but I have always had this love of the super wide shots, its just that dramatic effect it creates.

    Theres still so much I have to learn - and I still have that Hicks book to track down, if I have the money. TBH I find this whole idea of large format much more exciting than I thought it would be. :)
  10. Iloca

    Iloca Well-Known Member

    Hi Folks,

    I've only just started to use Large format, I have a Meopta Magnola which I think is a technical camera, metal bodied, most of the movements are geared which makes it nice to use. The downside is the weight and the fact that the film holders are dedicated to the camera. They take 13x18 (5x7) or with an adapter 10x15 (6x4). The problem is that while I've got plenty of 10x15 holders, I can't get 10x15 film, and although I can get 13x18 film, I only have 3 holders. I've also got a Graflex Crown Graphic, much lighter but not as nice to use. My lenses are 135 Meopta Largor & 210 Meopta Belar which belong to the Magnola although I'm using the Largor on the Crown. The Crown came with a 127 Ektar. I'm using Efke/Adox CHS50 in 5x4, Classicpan 200 in 13x18.

    It's a steep learning curve as I've had to learn to develop and print as well as get used to the camera. Today was the 1st time I actually went specifically to use the Crown, I took an OM2s program to use as a meter as well as for back up. I developed 6 sheets earlier and 2 look under-exposed but the rest seem fine, I think the fault was that I changed from an orange filter to red but didn't compensate for the extra stop.

    I have to say that I really enjoyed it, much more relaxing than using my D70, I tend to spend to much time re-taking and checking but not really concentrating with Digital, really I'm not a fan but it's not the concept or camera's fault. I need to save for a Epson 4990 scanner as I can only contact print at the moment and although DeVere 504's come up on ebay they're always (understandably) collection only.

    Cheers, Richard :D
  11. eryri

    eryri Well-Known Member

    Hi Dan

    If you shop around, it's possible to get a used Horseman 'Woodfield' camera for around £300 - £350. They're only £550 or so new! I know they can be bought from the States for around $550 (that's dollars) new.

    As for wide angle lenses, most of the folding field cameras will go down to 65mm, although you may have to utilise some movements and/or a recessed lens board. 65mm is very wide for 5x4, and I've never used mine for landscapes. It may come in handy if you shoot a lot of 6x9 though.

    BTW, not only is the Ebony Joe Cornish uses expensive, I know he had Hiromi Sakanashi (the man who makes them) modify a standard 45S to suit his personal requirements.
  12. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    5x7 inch? Or is that a 120 film format? I have seen 5x7 advertised but have take little notice as its 5x4 that interests me (and 10x8, but that too specialist for my liking)

    Unless you're contact printing 10x8 sheet film I think a scanner is essensial. The 5x4 enlargers must be around, but thats all ok if you have the space (all my camera gear is crammed all over the place). I'm not sure how well flat beds respond to film tone, but they do seem to do a good job on the scans I've seen. Then theres the Epson film scanner which does 5x4, for the price that also looks like it might be worth checking out.

    Richard, what do you like to photo? Landscapes?

    PS Anyone know if you can get Delta 3200 in 5x4 sheet? Or at a push Neopan 1600? I've seen it in 120. And as soon as I'm sorted I'll be getting various fine grain film as well.
  13. pilliwinks

    pilliwinks Well-Known Member

    Teamwork were considerably cheaper when I bought. DX II is currently £575 plus VAT on their site.
  14. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Cheers for that, I've added that to my list incase I see one!

    I know, and 75mm isnt that far off either. According to my Hedgecoe the 65 has a similar angle of view to a 20mm lens on 35mm format, and 75 isnt that far off at around 25. Both seem to me to be ideal to compensate for image cropping with a 6x7 back, I could be proved wrong though ;)

    I know, I'm very envious ;) :D
  15. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Yes, 5x7 in inches is a size between 5x4 and 10x8 - some swear by it, and it has the advantage that a 6x17 (cm) back is straightforward.
  16. TimF

    TimF With as stony a stare as ever Lord Reith could hav

    Indeed - Hicks is one of them, as readers of his column and LF book will know.
  17. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    I've just checked Teamwork and Robert Whites and they both have the exact same prices, lol! They aint the same people are they? ;) I suppose I could play one off against the other and see if one drops their quote if I needed to. I've done that with music gear in the past and saved hundreds - it all depends on how much they want my money, lol!
  18. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Cambo UPDATE!!!

    Just got an email off of Dale about the Cambo, while everything seems hunky dory as far as my questions, the guy says the bellows arent big enough for most close up work (not enough extention). He also said I would need to get some film holders to get started, but said these go at 18 quid.

    Late last night I found a virtually similar Cambo (over at S/H Darkroom Supplies), but with a 135mm lens. All is described as in good working order, and that the lens is described as excellant. Heres the funny bits, it weighs around 5kg but is £395:

    Hopefully you should now be able to see it.

    I'm guessing from the pic that this one is older, and it has a 2* rating ("GOOD CONDITION BUT NOT PRISTINE") This one also comes with DDS's, all I need is film. I thought that if I find it too heavy I woud atleast learn a bit from it with some studio shots :D /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

    I shall keep looking today, but the second Cambo is really, really tempting ;)
  19. huwevans

    huwevans Not Really Here

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    About £10 for secondhand DDSs. £18 is about right for brand new ones.

    Have you figured out how you are going to load/unload them yet? Only ISTR you didn't have a darkroom and didn't want to use a changing bag. You'll need Kodak or Fuji Readyloads/Quickloads and a special holder for them in that case.
  20. downfader

    downfader Well-Known Member

    Re: Cambo UPDATE!!!

    Yeah I thought I would use the changing bag for now. I'm more confident with it now, so hopefully the 5x4's shouldnt be any more fiddly than the 35mm. I noticed he has a £35 5x4 drum for chems on his website, so I'll ask about that.

    I might even try to see if I can go down and pick it up in person (which means roping my brother in to drive ;)) as it will save on the postage. I noticed from his webpage that he charges about £15 for delivery of heavy goods like enlargers.

    The spare cash I will spend towards a decent flatbed or the epson film scanner, and then save up for my wide angle, etc.

    Cheers Huw! I forgot about readyload. With the Kodak and Fuji ready loads, can I slip the film in day light, is that the benefit? (this is what it seemed to say on a couple of LF websites I have been reading) If so I'll probably track down a couple of each as I want both Portra 160 and Fuji slide/print.

    I have some black out material already, which will save me a couple of quid in the meantime also.

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