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Buying lenses from Switzerland (eBay)

Discussion in 'General Equipment Chat & Advice' started by pixelpuffin, Feb 11, 2020.

  1. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    You may not need to sell. Check out current resale prices. Perhaps you should buy used so you will not lose.
     
  2. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Every item of gear I own barring the 70-300 was purchased used. The 70-300 was £729. A absolute steal, especially as I took the 2yr 0% finance too. Win Win.
    The only thing that's worrying me about the 100-400 (other than the price....cough cough)is the weight. I keep reading people complaining how heavy it is. It's the same reason why I never bought a fast 70-200 zoom. I know I would never use it. I'd want to....but deep down I know I wouldn't.
    Think I'm going to try the 300 first, with a 1.4x.
    Am I right in thinking that's the same view as using a 672mm on full frame??
    Would the AF keep up with 13yr old soccer players...they move pretty fast.
     
  3. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Probably not with the converter.

    I looked in LR and I only have 28 images taken with the 300+ x1.4 and they aren't noteworthy subject wise. Nothing I'd put on here.

    My "events" album on Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/peterob55/albums/72157668246207950/with/26724165783/ starts with pictures taken with the 300 F4 by itself and that album also has pics taken with a 70-200 F2.8 mm (original)) and a 100-400 L mk ii too. If the file name starts BVR then it is taken with a x1.3 crop camera, else full frame but I do tend to crop images in post so it is probably no help to judge your application. But you do know the reach you have with the 70-300 zoom on your camera.
     
  4. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Cheers Pete

    Some great pictures there, like the one of the black horse leaping....well timed.
    As for the 300mm.....I've been reading more reviews and watching youtube comparisons. Personally I think the idea is a dead duck.
    I wonder if rather than upgrading the lens, I should consider maybe a better camera with a better sensor that can withstand cropping.
    Dare I say the 90D.
    I've got until September, so there's no rush really. I'm still editing Saturdays pictures, Where the cameras AF has focused correctly the pictures look great. It's not so much the camera but me...I struggle to keep the AF spot on the players. I've tried various AF points but seem to get the best results with centre spot.
    The 70-300 is still very very nice. small, compact and darn sharp to boot. I haven't used it with the 80d. Maybe I should this Saturday and see what the difference is.

    Thanks to everyone for taking the time to chime in...appreciate it.
     
  5. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Certainly with older cameras the centre spot was the most sensitive. Also it is the most natural to use the centre of view to track someone, it is harder with an off-centre point. Practice helps as does “sighting” which is the ability to to point the centre spot exactly at something you see, just as you would your finger. From a birding point of view I was told this is what magpies are for! There’s always one about and they move quite quickly.

    The 1Div I use has a configurable AF response and I have it set to ignore interventions, so it will try to follow a subject rather than jump to a closer object that gets briefly in the way. I don’t know when this came to other cameras, I expect the 7Dii has it. My 5Ds has it plus colour tracking, so I presume it will follow Red and ignore Blue, but I’ve never had cause to test it. I also vary the number of AF support points from none to all 8 surrounding points depending on the subject.

    I mix conventional focus with so-called back button focus. This can help with subjects moving across the focus plane as it reduces the chance of the AF jumping when the shutter is released. The cameras have a dedicated AF ON button so there is no need to remap another. It is harder to use for subjects coming toward you because you need to work the two buttons together. The very big telephoto lenses have their own AF ON button so you can focus left hand and release the shutter with the right.
     
  6. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    If your ears are burning Steve...it’s me
    I just pulled the trigger on a used 7dii.

    EEK!!
     
  7. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    Well done, you will enjoy it. The AF system is complicated so I suggest you do some research, but as always the internet is full of conflicting advice. As you are coming from a 7D it should be easier.
     
  8. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Will do, thanks for the tip
    Just praying I get the eBay £1 listing fee this Friday - I promised her I would have the money back before the weekend is over...gulp!!
    7dii sounds nice tho’ boxed, under 9K SC, with Canon Grip, one owner from new. I bought a job lot of CF cards before Xmas - I can now put them to good use.
     
  9. neilt3

    neilt3 Well-Known Member

    You say you are tempted to buy new for piece of mind .
    New lenses are not necessarily fault free , nor does it mean they won't develop a fault or get damaged anytime soon .
    A used lens often has no more risk , assuming it's in good condition when you bought it .

    Expect to pay 20% plus a handling fee when it gets to the country , usually at Parcel force , before it gets released to you .
    I've bought plenty of photographic equipment from abroad , if it's over the duty limit ( £20or so £ ) you will get billed for it .

    Also , as your buying a grey import , you might find you don't have a manufacturer warranty .
    I don't know about Canon , but I think Nikon won't even touch a grey import item .
    It's not just a question of paying for service or repairs .
    You'll probably have to get an independent shop to work on it and you'll be paying quite a bit for that.
    Buy in this country , you have your consumer rights and a ligitimate manufacturers warranty .

    I notice that reach us your main issue .
    If your happy with your current lens , a newer body might be the answer .
    Compared to the 7d , newer models have twice the megapixels , so even cropped in half , the image will be a lot bigger than before .
    You'll also gain the advantages of improved AF , much improved high ISO , dynamic range etc .
    To get a sharp image out of a longer lens the shutter speed needs to be much higher than shorter lenses
    Holding it solid makes a big difference too .
    I doubt you can set up a tripod , but are monopods allowed at the sidelines ?
     
  10. neilt3

    neilt3 Well-Known Member

    Also buying used for a retailer rather than eBay gets you a warranty .
    Ffordes , LCE , Miffsuds are just a few I've bought from .
    They'll part exchange too.
     
  11. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    Just to clarify
    I own over 20 canon lenses only 1 was bought new.
    The secondhand value of the 100-400ii is still very high, most are described as used, dust on optics, paint chips etc etc
    The saving over new is £3-400
    For such outlay I’d sooner but new at that price and get canon 2yr warranty

    all my other lenses seldom cost more than £200 except the few L’s I have.

    I just look for value for money. Paying £1200 -1400 on a used lens as opposed to £1900 is false economy especially as it will be my main lens and see the most use in all weathers.

    each to their own.
     
  12. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    I never deal with retailers these days.
    Never

    was screwed relentlessly years ago before the internet arrived.
    I'm not here to line someone else’s pockets.
     
  13. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Interesting point of view but remember that consumer legislation means that buying from a dealer is much safer than from an individual. It is however entirely your decision to abandon the protections offered.
     
  14. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    eBay isn’t all fun and games - I got scammed for £1160 by 2 rogue sellers just before Xmas- eventually I got all my money back - took 3-4wks.
    Initially I was put off eBay and looked at online dealers prices....
    I quickly decided to give eBay another go....in 15yrs of using eBay I’ve been scammed 2 maybe 3 times. But the bargains I’ve sourced are ridiculous. 8mth old 80d £400
    6D with 322 shutter count £375
    100d white 181 shutter count 2 white lenses £185

    If those were in dealers stores they would be at least 50% more.

    I tend to keep away from eBay dealers - easily spotted as they use the same background for their listings. If I’m not sure I check what else they have listed or completed listings....if they look like a dealer I stay away.

    Asking questions before buying gives 100% cover for 30 days on eBay - regardless if the seller stated no returns. If it doesn’t match the description or falls foul of the questions I asked before buying it is returned at “Their “ expense.
     
  15. neilt3

    neilt3 Well-Known Member

    Never deal with retailers ?
    Who you buying from in Switzerland ?
    A private seller ?
    In which case , sure you might have a 1 month gaurentee from eBay , but then what ?
    It's a lot of money to not have a warranty .
    However you look at things someone's making money off you , their not giving you the lens at a loss !
    Your choice , your money , your risk .
     
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  16. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    No
    That was a dealer - but it was also £800 less than UK

    sorry, I’ll correct myself
    I won’t buy used or trade in with dealers.

    I will more than likely buy the 100-400ii with canon cashback/promotion

    That way I get 2yr warranty plus 2yr 0% finance for brand new stock
    Which makes buying used from a dealer a very very expensive alternative.

    Each to their own, but looking back at my younger self I was systematically screwed throughout the 90’s by the local camera dealer....he made a fortune out of me. I’ve no intention of repeating history.
    As you can probably guess it’s left a very sour taste still ...2 decades later.

    No Ta
     
  17. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Could you define "screwed"? I've bought, sold and traded cameras for 50 years and never felt I was "screwed". On the contrary, I've often made a profit when I've sold on a camera or lens because I've always done my homework on prices and only bought new when there was no practical way to buy second hand.

    You do realise 2 things:
    • Dealers are in business to make money and not operate a charity for your benefit.
    • Buying from a country like Switzerland might mean that you have no legal recourse when you discover that (this time) you really have been screwed.
     
  18. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I note that you don't tell us where you are so we cannot avoid that dealer. I know that my local camera dealer has higher prices for used cameras than does MPB but sometimes I will put up with paying more for the convenience of being able to handle a camera before buying. The last camera I bought new was a Nikon 1 J5 back in 2015.

    With the number of dealers advertising and selling via the internet it is a simple matter to compare prices of used kit and buy from the cheapest. That way you get the legal protection and, hopefully, an acceptable price. I have rarely* bought more than one camera body from the same dealer because I always look for the keenest price.

    *I did buy two from Techno in Watford, an F4 and an F90X and a few from Grays of Westminster, a D2H an F100 a D2X and a D3 many of the places I have bought camera bodies from are no longer trading.
     
  19. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    One if the reasons dealers are trading is to make a profit. Screwed relentlessly is rather a matter of personal opinion, simply the dealer has to cover all business overheads and make a surplus, or they are not in business, now look how many photographic (and other) dealers have gone, meaning they have been unable to do so. If you trade an item in they have to deal with VAT, cover any repairs within the warranty period they provide and finance the item as stock until it is sold. I believe that trading in any type of product at a street retail level has never been an easy way to riches and is now virtually impossible. Look around towns and cities, how many specialist shops remain? Towns are overrun with coffee snd sandwich shops, charity shops and value retailers. Cities with the aforementioned, but fewer charity shops, there are simply many multiples and very few individual businesses with many of these shops employing staff on minimum wage rates on short hours contracts.

    None of us are here to line the pockets of shops, you really don't seem to have any notion of the difficulties that retailers face though.
     
  20. pixelpuffin

    pixelpuffin Well-Known Member

    I’m not naming
    I suspect business is tough

    But that’s hardly a reason for me to pay more to subsidise their living!!
    Ebay must be costing this country a fortune in lost revenue on the high street and no vat
    Everything I buy is sourced off eBay
    Cars, garden equipment, cameras etc etc
    Why would I be willing to want to pay more...it makes no sense.
    Cars is a good example, most dealers add a grand at least. I can buy cheaper direct from the seller, have it completely checked out by AA and still be quids in.
    It’s the way we have bought the last 2 cars.
    I only use domke bags, have several
    4 were bought for a third of rrp with tags on through eBay - the latest arrived last week. The tag was on the pocket along with the unused tin of domke refinishing wax. Totally mint was less than half price. I could use for a year and sell and get my money back.
     

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