Discussion in 'Nikon Chat' started by Learning, Oct 28, 2021.
They're a friendly bunch, our leaders...
I was more concerned that you called us “sensible”.
I can't argue that the control layout of the Z6 and Z7 leaves something to be desired and moving the buttons from the left of the screen to the right isn't, to my way of thinking, very clever at all. The Z9 is better but it is as if Nikon had forgotten, almost, everything that has gone before.
The lineage of the control layout started with the F5 and continued through the F100, F6, D1, D2, D3, D4 and D5/D6. There have been some very much appreciated changes along the way, ditching the AE/AF lock buttons tidied up the camera back and ditching the metering mode knob from the prism housing was also a good move. The ergonomics of the D1 through D6 has shown a marked improvement, thrown out of the window with the Z9 (command dials parallel to the axis rather than angled is definitely a retrograde step).
I see no advantage to moving to mirrorless and I won't be doing it, especially as Nikon have, sensibly, decided to perpetuate the EN-EL18 battery line with the Z9.
When the Z6/7 appeared I did look at and handle them, I disliked the layout and ergonomics of the cameras, the Zfc is probably better than the other Z cameras in these respects, not having seen or handled one.
The Zfc looks like the FM2 which I remember as a very nice camera but, I used mine with the MD12 which made it much nicer to handle. Is there a nice grip, equivalent to the MD12, for the Zfc? No of course not it doesn't need one nobody at an age where they might develop arthritis would buy one would they? Nice idea! Flawed by a lack of critical thinking and understanding of anatomy.
There is an add-on grip for the Zfc. Of course, whether it meets your standards is another matter entirely...
I missed that, though it wouldn't be either deep enough or functional enough (it isn't a control grip). So, no it isn't equivalent to the MD12, nothing like it.
Smallrig do one which seems to be deeper, though not a battery grip. And, no doubt Meike will have one out at some point.
Like I said I’ll not go mirrorless, it makes no financial sense and offers no practical advantages for me. For the price of a Zfc I could have a D3X or a well used D4, for the price of a Z7 I could have a reasonably good D5 all of which hold more appeal than any current Z series camera. Not that I need another D3 or D4 but I’d quite like a D5.
If I was looking for a camera body today, and lenses to use with it, I would only consider second hand stuff from the reputable advertisers in AP. Since retailers' websites list second hand stock and make browsing so easy, as long as you know exactly what you are looking for and are sensible about your budget there may be no reason to even consider buying new. Fortunately there are always enough camera fashion victims trading in perfectly good equipment that the second hand market has probably never been better or easier to use.
The last lens I purchased new was in 2008 (and that was a discontinued model sold as a package with a discontinued DSLR body), and the last DSLR body I purchased new was in 2013. Again it was a discontinued model being 'sold off', and I still have it. The second hand market for DSLR bodies has grown a lot since then, so today I would buy a nice used one.
Indeed. I have very little kit that was purchased new, there seems little point when you can let others take the financial hit. The latest stuff may have better performance in extremis but in reality I doubt whether anybody could discern the difference in the vast majority of situations. I have bought from various sources including Ebay, Gumtree, CEX and the usual UK bricks and mortar sellers.
I am getting on a bit. When a 75 year old pops their clogs I tend so say "Its no age is it?"
I have never owned a flagship camera. Quite frankly I didn't want to; they were such specialised beasts.
Nikon's latest offering of a flagship camera seems to be a bit of an all rounder. Too heavy for an old fart to carry around two of them. I think that I might actually like one, perhaps backed up with a Z5. There might be another couple of D500 on the second hand market as soon as Nikon get their manufacturing up to speed. Of course my D500 far exceed my needs. I like new toys. And you can't take it with you.. I tend to buy cameras new. Lenses are another matter.
I don't agree that the Flagship models are specialised beasts, I have owned most of them since the F4, they are great general purpose cameras lacking many of the bells and whistles of the entry, enthusiast and prosumer models such as scene modes, built in flash etc. that I don't want (others may want those things of course). However, I would consider the D500 the flagship DX model so you do own one.
My first serious camera was a Praktica LTL back in the early 1970s, followed by various OMs (OM1, OM2 and OM4) none of which offered much in the way of assistance, Aperture Priority was a revelation. In many ways the F4 was somewhat similar to the OM4 in that, aside from autofocus, it didn't have any of those things manufacturers seem to think consumers need. The later flagships followed in the same mould.
I continue to buy, used, flagship models simply because of what they don't have.
By your reckoning I own two. The last time I used both at one shoot was the opening of our new skate park a few weeks ago. One was fitted with a 16-80 and t'other with 70-300.
My first serious camera was an Exacta Varex llb. I bought it new when it was still a current model.
I have, in store, tried various mirrorless bodies from the big manufacturers. I love the size, can’t get on with the ergonomics, don’t like the limited battery life nor the poor availability of a superzoom for when I travel. My D7200 & 18-200vr does everything I need and I don’t hanker after anything else………………except the D500. Don’t need it, just want it.
You're in luck, sounds like the market is about to be flooded when @Learning sells his.
But no built in flash so would need a costly fast lens….
Really? I think you will find the high ISO noise performance to be such that flash, or the lack there of, isn’t an issue. Anyway an external flash would be much cheaper.
Yes but it would be less pocketable…..
You will need big pockets to take a D500 and a lens.
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