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AP tweaks

Discussion in 'AP Magazine Feedback & Suggestions' started by Nigel_Atherton, Aug 7, 2017.

  1. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Why on earth would anyone want to abandon AF? It is more or less essential for hand-held photography with modern cameras. For manual focus for everything you need big mirrors, fast lenses and bright viewfinders or revert to a view-camera methodology using liveview or tethered shooting complete with bag over your head if in bright light! AF capabilities between cameras do vary and no-one should rely on auto-focus point selection but generally you can make a camera focus where you want it to with AF to better reliability than with MF.
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  2. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Here we go again. What I like is what I like. What you like is what you like. Neither is right or wrong.
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  3. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Absolutely correct, but both sides have the right to express their opinions, so long as nobody says their way is the only way.
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  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    No idea what "bobody" is saying but I made it clear that my opinion was personal ("I wish I could wean me off it.") while Pete's response was aggressive. ("Why on earth would anyone want to abandon AF?").
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  5. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Aggressive?You really think that? Wow.
  6. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Pete,

    Highlight 1: Quite simple. I was responding to Basil's idea: "Occasionally you do feature on old cameras from the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s which are really good. Can you do the same for lenses so that we can hunt the out at bargain prices on auction sites and boot sales?" Now, stop and think about whether bargain lenses at auction sites or boot sales are likely to be manual focus....

    Highlight 2: No. This is simply untrue. Maybe you find autofocus easier, but I find it easier to use manual focus. Also, a lot depends on what cameras you use. I'd call both my Nikon Df and Leica M9 "modern cameras" and the Leica doesn't even have the option of autofocus. My old D70, on the other hand, is indeed pretty useless with manual focus, which is why I am also acutely aware of the limitations of autofocus (and no, the D70 isn't the only autofocus camera I own/have used, but it's the one I've used most).


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  7. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Ah! so you really meant "nobody" rather than "bobody". Then again I don't know what "nobody" is saying either. :confused:
  8. Nigel_Atherton

    Nigel_Atherton Group Editor

    Thanks for the suggestions, Basil.

    As for AF, it's interesting that old manual focus lenses have never been in so much demand. (With the possible exception of the days when that's all there was of course). This is partly driven by mirrorless cameras and adaptors, and partly by video enthusiasts/film makers who don't use AF.
  9. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Nigel,

    Ah, but would ANYONE want the eighteen (!) Praktica Bayonet Mount lenses that our adopted daughter wants to get rid of...?

    My Vivitar Series 1 lenses in Nikon mount; my 135/1.8 Porst in Pentax mount; my Photosnipers (300/4.5)... These are a different matter! I'm waiting for a reply from SRB about adapting one of the Fotosnipers for my Nikon Df.


    Last edited: Aug 10, 2017
  10. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    Why not select 'manual' and allow yourself the time to really learn what you and the camera can achieve? All I want from a DSLR is 16-18 megapixels (which I know can produce good 20 x 30 inch prints if a decent lens was used), manual controls for aperture/shutter/ISO and autofocus for longer lenses (and I could live without that if my DSLR had a split prism focusing screen like my old film SLR). Everything else adds to the cost/size/weight of the camera body and lenses you use, and make the use of the camera so much more complex.

    Is it cynical to suggest that the more complex the camera, the more likely many people are give up and use one of the automatic settings?

    Perhaps APOY should be changed so that each round is not designed around one one type of image or theme but around one technique or one hardware restriction, so that entrants are forced to attempt a variety of techniques and possibly learn more about using their camera if they hope to win. I would suggest one round for 'manual focus', one for 'manual exposure', one for 'all image stabilisation turned off', one for 'using a lens that cost less than £200', etc. with the subject completely open.

    Why do I feel like a socialist trying to convert Donald Trump?
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  11. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Highlight: I was astonished at what even 6 megapixels can do, when I tested some Zeiss MF lenses on my Nikon D70. The 18-70 kit zoom leaves a lot to be desired. On the other hand, most printers use a rule of thumb of 1 pixel = 1 dot, so at the standard 300 dpi an A4 double page spread (=A3) needs roughly 5000x3500 pixels = roughly 16-18 megapixels.

    Next to last para: sort of hard to police, and also, it might force people to buy lenses they don't want.

    Last para: But if you could, it would be the bigliest conversion ever. I mean totally bigly. Did I say bigly? I mean bigly. Or bigliest.


  12. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    I agree with the megapixel comment. As I type this, on the wall above my PC is a 50 x 75 cm print from a 10 megapixel image taken with a Pentax K10 at 200 ASA and an old model (mint used) Sigma 10-20 mm lens. This was when I realised that the image looked better than a same size Cibachrome print from 35 mm Kodachrome 200 using a Tamron 28-200 lens (I have some printed by Jessops 15-20 years ago). When the 16 megapixel K5 was discontinued and being sold off 'cheap' I took chance to upgrade because of the improved high ASA performance and smaller body, but see no need to upgrade again to get anything with a higher resolution sensor.

    I once emailed an 800 x 533 pixel image (less than half a magapixel) to a local business that wanted something for their reception area (at their request), with a note that this 'proof' was only large enough to look at on a PC screen. I visited them later and saw it had been printed to A3 so that each square pixel was clearly visible from 2 or 3 feet away - it looked like a mosaic. But from a few feet it looked great and they liked it. But they never paid me, and the office closed a few month later...

    'Bigliest' is the perfect adjective for the current 'Leader of the Free World'. Frightening, isn't it?

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