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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by MickLL, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Roger_Provins

    Roger_Provins Well-Known Member

    Another company with very fast despatch and often low prices is CPC.
  2. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    Yes I "now" remember them from years ago thanks for the reminder
  3. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    We have prime for video BUT

    You are right I NEVER pay extra, take vistaprint, standard or fast but I have never had it any "slower" not paying extra ???
  4. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    But when it goes wrong Argos not a problem, unknown amazon seller good luck, I had to threaten one as far as the county court.

    So A1 you did right
  5. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Amazon can be very responsive but sometimes they get it wrong. A few weeks ago I ordered a pen, delivery scheduled for the following Wednesday, on Sunday I checked and saw that they had authorised a refund because the item was undeliverable. I queried this and they agreed to send a replacement. Sounds good doesn’t it? My problem is that they unilaterally decided to refund rather than replace. A refund because goods are undeliverable is only appropriate if there is no more stock. I got my pen, on the expected day but I really should never have known about their internal problem.

    A little later I wrote a review and discovered that the reviews on the page were in many cases irrelevant as they were for totally different pens, mine was a fountain pen, some were for roller ball pens others ball points. I complained, there is no other mechanism, and fairly swiftly received a response, on-line chat, and they sought to resolve the issue. Later I had an email thanking me for my feedback. The problem isn't entirely fixed, many items have reviews that are irrelevant, but hopefully things will improve.

    On the subject of reviews, I have noticed that many reviewers aren't actually reviewing the product but the experience. As an example, I looked at the Nikon D4, there was one review which rated it at 4 stars; reading the review it was clear that the reason for the score was that the sensor was dirty. That isn't anything to do with the camera but is a comment on the seller. Unfortunately it is quite common for people to be unable to separate events from feelings and experiences, at work I regularly read incident reports that had more to do with the reporter than the incident. Reviewing products is a skill which few possess, I'm not sure I am one of them.
  6. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    That's very patient of you. I would have to last until into my nineties to see that. Even if I did last that long I probably would be in no state to care.
    I was hoping that you could give me an existing example. It has been tried. It has always gone wrong. Why do you think Scotland would be any different.
  7. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Optimism. :D

    To be absolutely fair to socialism, it has failed citizens FAR fewer times than capitalism has.
  8. Stephen Rundle

    Stephen Rundle In the Stop Bath

    People are idiots

    The hedge cutter I bought clearly states

    Trimmer weighs 3.8kg

    Then idiots complain about the weight DUH read it first
  9. Roger_Provins

    Roger_Provins Well-Known Member

    They are used a lot by schools. Farnell group. Almost always next day delivery and very good communication.
  10. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I am afraid that is very common, "Don't buy this product" read on and it turns out that the drivers for Windows 10 are the problem. So it will be fine with a Mac.
    or, condensed, "It didn't work in my card reader"! Fine but it worked in the camera, did you try another card reader?
    The worst reviews are 3 stars, does the job. Great so why only three stars? I really do want to know the answer to that one, it might be important.

    I tend to look for the critical reviews, they are far more useful than the 5 star ones because they tell me what to expect. Alternatively they tell me that the reviewer hasn't a clue or that the reported "problem" won't affect me.
  11. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    I just avoid Amazon. I don't like they history of poor staff treatment, I don't like the way they undermine the retail economy and I don't like the tax evasion. I do most of my buying online, but avoid Amazon like a plague (is that a Covid 19 plague or home grown tax avoidance plague or such organisations?).
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  12. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

    Do you do due diligence on your alternative suppliers?
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  13. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Periodic reminder that tax laws are made by government and if Amazon (et al) were breaking the law we'd likely see some action. Sure I'd like them to pay more tax, but the protesting should be at the government which controls that.
  14. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    There's a long history of small businesses treating their staff badly. It's a major criticism of mine towards the binary Amazon vs local business arguments, as though only one could be exploitative.
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  15. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Any employer can be exploitative doesn't matter how big, or small, they are.

    Amazon often have products I wouldn't otherwise have known existed. Doesn't mean that I buy them. I had a problem with some lights on the car, the solution was a voltage regulator. I found I could buy eight for less than it would cost me to buy the components to build one, economies of scale, buy one resistor it is 10p buy a hundred and it is 1p.

    All sorts of other things that I wouldn't have even dreamed of looking for.
  16. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Precisely. Amazon is a big example of poor treatment but it isn't the binary that a lot of the "shop local not evil Amazon" types seem to think.
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  17. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I think I pointed out a while back that "Support your local businesses not Starbucks/McDonalds/Burger King etc." was missing the point. These are franchises and your local Starbucks may well actually be locally owned and run but benefits from the brand. Stop visiting Starbucks and you neighbour may well be the business man that suffers. Actually I am not sure whether Starbucks is a franchise but you get the idea. McDonalds certainly runs on that basis.
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  18. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    The main problem with socialism is that it cannot possibly be democratic, because it is bound to be kicked out at some time unless the socialists in power choose the candidates - and that just isn't democratic. The people must be allowed to choose whosoever they wish to represent them.

    Ultimately, you are bound to end up with a non-socialist state or a form of fascism calling itself a socialist state.
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  19. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Socialism is democracy in action. In Britain and America, democracy has been broken for decades which is why our societies are broken.
  20. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Your first five words are demonstrably nonsense.

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