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Advice on an upgrade (Canon 2000d)

Discussion in 'Help Team' started by Meomyo, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. Meomyo

    Meomyo New Member

    HI,

    I have had a Canon 2000D for about a year, I have various lenses for it and am still very much a beginner, I want to upgrade the camera one day soon and would like advice on which model I should go for, obviously I want one where I can use my existing lenses and I want a camera that is a major upgrade and not just a minor upgrade. I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to give me some advice? As to money, well it's an object of course, but as I stated I do want a major upgrade. So any suggestions welcome. Thanks
     
  2. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Although I am a Nikon user I would not have thought your Canon 2000D was a poor choice. Unless you have recently developed new interests in a specialised niche of photography I would suggest that you have caught a very expensive syndrome. Gear Acquisition Syndrome, normally abbreviated to GAS. GAS is a common syndrome seen amongst followers of all sorts of hobbies and sports. Whether one is a golfer wanting the latest carbon fibre golf sticks or a photographer wanting the latest Canon R5, the reasons are the same. If you cannot tell us why you need new kit then you are suffering from GAS. I bought the first of my Nikon D500 shortly after release and the second about a year later. I am in no hurry to change.
    Just look at this again. (I suspect that you have seen it before you purchased the camera. https://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-2000d/specifications/. What is wrong with it?
     
  3. Bazarchie

    Bazarchie Well-Known Member

    Hi

    Please give an indication of what you find lacking with your current camera, what lenses you have and what type of photography applies you.
     
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  4. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    Hi, as the others said really what are you looking for in an upgrade? Recommendations for something different are meaningless without a clue as to what you need.

    Broadly speaking what you get when you pay more for a camera is robustness. If a £6,000 1D iii gives a “better” picture than your 2000D it will do so mainly because there is £2000 worth of glass (not included in the £6000) on the front of it. On the other hand it will take continuous hard use whereas the 2000D needs more looking after. OK, you do get improvements in ergonomics, faster AF, burst speed etc. but that may not be important to you. As an example, I bought my second digital camera specifically for the AF because I couldn’t get the results I wanted with my first camera when photographing birds.
     
  5. IvorETower

    IvorETower Little Buttercup

    Not exactly......
    There are also features and performance aspects to take into account - more butons that give direct access to some functions (but how often do you use them and change them?), faster auto-focus, better AF tracking performance, better weather sealing etc.

    You should work out what is holding your photography back, and/or what features/performance aspects you think you need, then start looking around for an upgraded camera that has these.... and do try it out once you have identified these items, to make sure that the camera "feels right" in your hands
     
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  6. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Just a couple of points to add to the above:
    A. If you want to photo sports such as cricket you might find the fast frame rate of a Canon 7D useful
    B. If you are interested in "Black cats in coal cellars" photography a full frame model would help - but would need new lenses
     
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2020
  7. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    I agree with most of this but, having read the specification I can find a number of things that might lead me to want to upgrade, I won't mention them because it is important for Meomyo to make the determination without any leading from me.

    It might also be relevant to point out that the features that would lead me to upgrade are either absent or present in the cameras I have. If you have never known any different most of them might not even be noticeable.

    Whilst I agree with the basic point, a Canon EOS1DX III is perhaps slightly over the top, you can hang the £2,000 lens on the EOS 2000D after all.

    As was the case with film, the lens and the sensor are more important than the box that connects them so consider what it is about the box (camera body) that you are struggling with. As I said above I can see a couple of things that might be a problem but also consider whether the money might be better used for improved lenses. It wasn't until I started using near top of the range Nikon lenses that I really saw what my cameras could do, though a computer with a much higher resolution screen helped quite a lot too.

    I have had my most used lenses for six years now and have no intention of changing them. They will remain high performers whether on a top of the range body or the cheapest. I would recommend a thorough examination of which focal lengths you use most and buy the best available lenses that cover them. So if you use focal lengths between 18mm and 50mm consider the EF-S 17-55 f2.8, you can get a good used one for under £400. I think it will make a greater difference than a new body.
     
  8. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    But more or less........ I did go on to say you got improved ergonomics (that’s buttons vs menus) etc..

    Anyway - to the original question and an alternative answer.

    Retail therapy is just as good if not a better motive to buy a new camera than a half-hearted “upgrade” argument. Whatever you do, don’t buy on specification alone. The handling of the camera is important. If you don’t like to use it then you won’t.

    When I catch a bad case of iwantitis the way I test how much I really want it, is save up while I try to convince myself that I really need it. Either I’ll win the argument with myself or I’ll have gone off the idea by the time I’ve saved nearly enough. In the latter case I’ve got a head start on affording the next thing.

    My philosophy is buy once and keep. On retail grounds, and to swap a 2000D, I’d probably go for the top APS-C Canon camera, whatever that is at the moment or, s/h, the one before it. For sports/wildlife the 7Dii is well favoured but old. I suspect that the last 2 or 3 top APS-C models are also pretty capable but I’ve not read any reviews or seen any specs.
     
  9. IvorETower

    IvorETower Little Buttercup

    ^
    For some, there's no cure for retail therapy or "GAS" nad much enjoyment can be had from simply having the latest. I wouldn't argue with anyone who wanted to buy a new, "better" camera "just because".... and there is certainly joy also in seeking out a new or newer model as a second-hand bargain. I've done some of that in my time and it can make you feel very good
     
  10. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    If you looking for a robust tank then Eos5D mk:iii won't break the bank, otherwise as has been said, glass is pretty important.
     
  11. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    but any EF-S lenses for the 2000D won't fit.
     
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  12. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    There is a chap called Adrian who often posts cricket pictures on this forum. Very often the ball, travelling at high speed is in frame and the batsman in full swing is in focus.
    His camera a Nikon D200, his lens a manual focus 400mm f 5.6 vintage manual focus prime (of admittedly high repute). Sure a pray and spray lack of technique with the latest upmarket body and lens may make getting the shots easier and more reliable, but as Adrian demonstrates, real skill and sense of timing, maybe plus a bit of luck gets brilliant shots. It is likely that some professional sports photographer used that very same lens with a Nikon F, F2 or F3 with similar results in the previous century. If Adrian sees this then I hope that I haven't made him blush.
     
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  13. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Yes and if you trade in a lightly used camera that makes the dealer a profit when a bargain hunter buys it.
     
  14. Mark101

    Mark101 Well-Known Member

    Yep , idiot or what? Since my medical accident and stroke I very often get my thinking around the wrong way.
     
  15. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    You describe yourself as 'very much a beginner', so perhaps you don't yet have the experience to make a decision yet about 'upgrading' your current camera body and lenses, but have just fallen victim to the upgrading bug. This can be a very expensive, especially if it returns at regular intervals.

    You have a modern 24 megapixel half-frame (APS-C) camera body from a decent manufacturer, so before even thinking about 'upgrading', which might be an expensive mistake if you find your photographs are not any 'better' when you use it, are you sure that you have really outgrown your current camera body and lenses? Or to ask the question another way, what is it you want to do that your current camera and lenses are not capable of? If you have some specific subject in mind, perhaps somebody here can recommend a suitable second hand lens to use with your current camera body. Or if you are happy with the lenses you have, but don't get the results you want, somebody here may be able to advise of ways to change this by using a different technique when taking your pictures.

    Also, what do you want to do with your pictures? If they are only ever viewed on a PC screen or smaller device, then the quality of what you already have is probably much better than you need. But if you want to get large prints done for your wall (80 or 90cm wide, for example), then investing in decent lenses become important. The 24 MP sensor should be capable of providing images that will look good at this size and long as you use decent lenses and don't crop then (or at least only a minimal amount).

    Don't rush to spend a lot of money until your are certain that it will get you what you need, rather than just what you want.
     

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