I'm thinking of saving up for a 645 SLR now I'm getting a job. I'm a little uncertain what to go for, though. I've got two 'families' of SLR's on my mind at the moment: Bronica ETR/ETRs or even ETRsi f I can find one cheap enough, or a Mamiya 645/1000/super. The Bronica is a little cheaper, and so I'd be able to afford a wide-angle sooner (which is what I will want with it, although a standard lens too). Quality of the optics is, as usual, foremost on my mind, and I'm not sure how the Bronica compares to the Mamiya. Clive sent me an inkjet printout of a HP5 neg from the Mamiya 645, but I prefer the price of the Bronica. I'm also after relative compactness if possible, but that's a secondardy priority, optics come first along with price. I'd be looking at about £400 for a body/back/WLF/standard lens. W/A comes later. All advice is, as usual, appreciated. Rob CRIPN If something's not worth doing, it's worth forgetting about.