Underground train system bosses are set to ban all photos under new proposals that have angered photographers.

Amateur Photographer (AP) can exclusively reveal that Glasgow Subway passengers will be told they must ‘not take photographs, or make video, audio or visual recordings on any part of the subway’.

The ban is contained in Section 12.1 of proposed byelaws drawn up by the system’s operator, Strathclyde Partnership for Transport (SPT).

The new rules add: ‘The only exception to byelaw 12.1 is if a passenger has the written permission of SPT in relation to the activity.

‘The passenger must be carrying the permission, show it to an officer on request, and comply with any conditions of that permission.’

The crackdown will apply to all parts of the underground system, including trains and areas owned by SPT, even above ground.

Transport bosses say the byelaws are designed to ‘make sure that travelling on the subway is easy, safe, secure and comfortable’.

‘Impossible to police’

But photographers have condemned the plan as unrealistic and unfair.

Michael Pritchard, director general of the Royal Photographic Society (RPS) told AP: ‘Once again, photography is being targeted in a blanket way that is illogical and offers no benefit to the public or to Strathclyde transport staff.

‘Furthermore, as most people carry a camera phone, the proposed byelaw would be impossible to police.’

Pritchard (pictured below) added: ‘The UK’s largest public transport system in London has no problem with amateur photography on its network, provided flash photography is not used for safety reasons. And commercial photography can be undertaken with advance notice.

‘It seems difficult to understand why Strathclyde feels it needs to prohibit all photography.’

RPS director general Michael Pritchard

Photography enthusiast Chris White, who was stopped while taking photos at a Glasgow shopping centre last year, agrees: ‘It seems totally unworkable and the majority of people can take photos and video on their mobile phone.

‘Glasgow Subway has tourist appeal. As both a university and a tourist city Glasgow attracts thousands of visitors each year…

‘What’s more, stations on the underground have free Wi-Fi access, so people can, and will, upload straight to social media sites.’ 

These are the first byelaws to state that photography is not allowed, though the SPT maintains that anyone seen taking a photograph on its premises today would be told to seek prior consent.

The regulations will replace 1980 byelaws that contain no such restrictions.

Not limited to flash/commercial pics

AP understands that subway managers currently use station staff, on-site British Transport Police and CCTV to spot unauthorised photography and filming.

Though a source said photography enables people to record the layout of the subway system, the SPT has stopped short of saying the move is related to concerns over people taking hostile reconnaissance pictures – for possible terrorism purposes, for example.

Among those angered by the proposals is Rana Bains, a keen photographer who said he did not encounter any problems when he took a picture on the Glasgow Subway a few years ago, accompanied by his son.

Bains, who lives in north London, said the byelaws, as they stand, ban any ‘casual’ photography, without prior clearance from the authorities.

He pointed out that the restrictions are not limited to flash photos, and images captured by professional photographers.

Opened in 1896, Glasgow Subway is the world’s third oldest underground system, after London and Budapest.

It includes 15 stations along a route of just over 10km.

‘National icon’

Last year it was described as ‘truly a national icon’ by SPT chairman Jonathan Findlay, in an interview with the BBC to mark the subway’s 115th anniversary.

Visit Scotland warns that the rules mean amateurs face a ‘learning curve’, but a spokesman for the organisation said he does not expect the move to have a large impact on tourism.

‘Glasgow has a wealth of visitor attractions – there are plenty of opportunities to take pictures [away from the underground network],’ he told AP.

The SPT has opened a consultation process which closes on 15 June.

‘The Society will make formal representations,’ confirmed the RPS’s Michael Pritchard.

‘If London doesn’t feel any need to ban photography on the Tube, I really do not see why Glasgow thinks it’s under greater threat.’

‘Where will this lead?’

David Hunter, president of Eastwood Photographic Society, which is based in Glasgow, said: ‘The Subway is a much-loved public place and often a subject featured in pictures taken by amateur photographers.

‘Where will this lead next – buses, trains, station platforms… the street?’

Chris Milner, deputy editor of The Railway Magazine denounced the idea as ‘nuts’.

Milner told AP: ‘What is of concern is that, once it’s applied to the Glasgow underground, how easy will it be for SPT to roll it out to other rail operations they are involved in?’

In a statement, the SPT told us: ‘SPT regularly receives photography and filming requests for the Subway and we are always happy to accommodate these when we can.

‘Our company policy has always been that consent must be sought prior to any photography taking place, and this is in line with security restrictions at any major transport hub, including railway stations, airports etc.

‘It also allows us to ensure that any such activity does not disrupt the operations of the network in any way.’

Photographer Chris White added: ‘Section 11.2 prohibits the playing of musical instruments or use of any device for the reproduction of sound or music “in a way which may annoy a reasonable person”.

‘Would it not be more practical to have a similar clause for photos and videos?’

Transport Scotland and See Glasgow, a tourism body, declined to comment.

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  • R Wood

    This is absolute rubbish, provided the photographer is sensible shouldn’t be any problem.
    I live in London now and daily people take photo’s of trains ‘NO PROBLEM’

  • David Endersbee

    A railway station and platforms are public places, within the law of the land, and cannot be changed without an act of parliament. Likewise streets and open places are public places, and therefore photography cannot be banned. Many areas are privately owned, but if they are ungated and have free access, they are then a public place. Photographers must stand up to the silly security people, as I do. I am a freelance photographer, and have had many a run in with the police and security types.

  • Dallas Carter

    How about every photographer in or near Glasgow flooding SPT with requests to photograph the subway? Or does anyone want to organise a mass photo shoot?

  • Sue

    If anyone wanted the subway layout, they only have to google it! This is ridiculous

  • Todd Maisel

    People of Great Britain must scream and yell. Photographers are not terrorists.

  • N.Cox

    I took a photo in the Glasgow subway last year and was almost immediatly surrounded by security people who demanded that I deleted the image immediately before I was allowed to leave the station. I was completely dumbfounded by this over-reaction displayed.

  • P Herron

    “for possible terrorism purposes”

    It seems to me that those who run the SPT are becoming paranoid about the above. Is the SPT run by dictators, as seems the case in banning photography?
    My nephew who has just started photography was looking forward to a day in Glasgow to photograph trains for a school project. I guess as my friends in Glasgow say we may aswell go else where.
    Since when has photography been seen as a problem to safety on trains?
    Lets get this farcical ban lifted.

  • Michael Preston

    “Transport bosses say the byelaws are designed to make sure that travelling on the subway is easy, safe, secure and comfortable’.”

    What a total load of tosh! How exactly do photographers lessen the level of safety of the subway, specifically? I suspect there is no evidence of this at all. What this represents is yet more paranoid rubbish from bureaucrats who are desperately inventing ways to remain in their jobs.

    Terrorism! It’s everywhere. Look there’s one there, with, with, with a camera! Arrest him now!

    “Transport Scotland and See Glasgow, a tourism body, declined to comment.”

    This says it all really, doesn’t it?

  • Simon Rhodes

    This is quite absurd. I wish I didn’t live several thousand miles away – I can’t pop along with my camera. I hope people will ignore this ridiculous idea, if it is put in place.

  • Steve Graham

    ‘Glasgow has a wealth of visitor attractions – there are plenty of opportunities to take pictures [away from the underground network],’ he told AP.

    A fine attitude. He may as well have said, ‘Go away, we don’t want you here.’ Doesn’t he realise that the friendly/unfriendly attitude that visitors experience in gateway facilities can make the difference between a positive opinion of a city and a negative one?

    Well, they got their wish. Glasgow has just fallen off my list of places to visit.

  • A photographer who is hacked off being targeted yet again!

    I hope there is a ban on any writing implements and associated drawing paraphernalia, oh and don’t forget painting materials. We don’t want drawings and paintings used for nefarious deeds. Hm whilst were at it, may as well ban tattoo artists, woodcarvers, stone masons, basically anyone who can record the layout of the underground systems, just in case they can be used by naughty people.

    This is getting ridiculous, why is photography targeted again.

  • Stephen

    Seems like security is running large parts of the business now. Power begets power.

  • Ernest Godward

    It really worries me that we are being subjected to this creeping paranoia that is attempting to stop us from enjoying our hobbies. I have an interest in railways and photography and will definately be writing to object to this by-law section. I would encourage others to do the same.

  • Ned

    “Behave sensibly and reasonably, don’t use a flash, and ask first before filming for money.”

    There’s your new policy, SPT, can I have a £1000 consultancy fee? It’ll just about cover my fine.

  • Mark Townend

    Anyone with nefarious intent will always be able to take the photos
    they think they need anyway with their phones, tablets, or spy cameras
    now available concealed in pens, lighters, button holes etc, so the
    security angle is completely spurious today. They also might write
    things down, draw diagrams, or even use their wetware memory to recall
    station layouts etc, so please check in your pencils, paper and brains
    at the desk before travelling! I can totally understand concerns over
    commercial use of imagery without permission, any defamatory use and
    disruptive or potentially dangerous activity involved in taking a
    shot, but a blanket ban on photography is totally over the top and
    practically unenforceable. A flickr search for ‘glasgow subway’
    produced around 4000 images, overwhelmingly of trains and stations and
    people on board. I assume a vast new bureaucracy will be employed in
    future to follow up any newly posted pictures of Morag on the way home
    after a Friday night . . .

  • wm.c

    How or where do you add name to add weight to stop this becoming law?…any direction anyone.
    Wm.

  • Kate Ferris

    I am so disappointed that my favourite Scottish city has spoiled its record of being nice to photographers. I suppose they have taken their lead from Glasgow airport – the only airport I was persistently double checked by security staff on every visit. Bad show Glasgow!

  • Dave

    What a silly, unenforceable, idea. And one that may cost them advertising revenue – lots of ads on the Subway now feature QR codes, which I, erm, wouldn’t be able to take a picture of this ban were to be brought into force.

  • Martin

    SPT already publish subway plans and engineering blueprints so it would seem that an argument about weakening security would not stand up too well. See http://www.spt.co.uk/wmslib/Docs_Business/engineering_guide_notes.pdf