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Yet more on club judges.

Discussion in 'Talking Pictures' started by MickLL, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

    But that would be with like minded people. :confused:
  2. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    I just never quite know if you're winding us up, Barney.

    Frequency seperation with high speed flash sounds painful to me, though I'm sure you could fill a conference room with people fascinated by the subject...

    :D :D :D

  3. art

    art Well-Known Member

    Isn't this a good example of the value of internet forums? The more specialist the interest, the more useful the forums, because it's far more likely to find like-minded people online than in your local club. Also, the chances are that whatever you're trying to do, someone, somewhere has already tried it and is happy to share their experience.
  4. Jimbo57

    Jimbo57 Well-Known Member

    If you are referring to the assessment day held at Birmingham on Sunday 3rd March 2013, then I was there (just checked my diary).

    In that case, I would have to suggest that the problem is with your mental block against being inspired by true excellence and creativity (or maybe just failing to recognise it when you see it.). That being so, I really do not know what you are looking for in the photography of yourself and others.

    Perhaps exposure to the mediocrity of internet chat-rooms has dulled your senses to real artistic endeavour. I hope not. But I do wonder where you imagine you might find worthwhile stimulation if you do not make the effort to interact with other photographers in clubs, societies, exhibitions, etc.

    That said, I do recognise that, in any of the arts, there will be personal likes and dislikes. I can wander round the National Portrait Gallery or the Tate Modern and find much that I like, much that I might appreciate but not particularly like, and some that I might struggle to appreciate.

    However, I hope that I never exhibit the arrogance or pomposity to decry that art that does not appeal to me, just because it does not appeal to me or because I do not understand it. The fact that someone, somewhere, has considered that it deserves public exposure is good enough for me - just as any photographs selected as good enough for an RPS panel deserve to be applauded even if they do not excite my personal preferences.

    You and I both are entitled to our personal preferences and opinions - that does not make my preferences more artistically valid than yours nor my opinions more valuable.

    Dare I suggest that a little humility on your part might lend your opinions a greater degree of credibility?

    Just as a small exercise in comparative evaluation, take a look at some of the Members' Galleries here: http://www.smethwickphotographic.co.uk/Members-Galleries.html and compare the images with a selection of galleries on this site.
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2015
  5. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    There is no other reason to "decry" art.

    If the consumer, for want of a better term, doesn't like it, then it's not art; to them. It's "arrogance or pomposity" to claim that "your art" must be "their art"...

  6. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    Sorry to resurrect this thread.

    Last week at a county photography clubs competition, the judge was marking a morning sunrise image taken in Norfolk. It was a lovely picture. The judge praised everything about it.

    His final comment was "It's the kind of picture you'd love to hang on your wall"

    "....and for that reason it won't win anything tonight"
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  7. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    At county level, it would have to be a pretty unique sunrise to get anywhere I guess. Sunrises in general feature somewhere further down the scale of difficulty for many. Not sure wall hangability is a real criteron.
  8. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    I think a good sunrise/sunset/landscape picture is harder to achieve than "in-vogue" overly manipulated black & white multi-layered HDR images that seem to be the latest craze nowadays.
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  9. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Just more proof, to my way of thinking, as to why this whole judging thing is simply a matter of opinion.

    Much better to have the whole membership vote for their favourite image of the evening. Then people who like pictures to hang on their walls could vote for those, while people who like fisheye views of old cars could do the same...


  10. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    I told you before what happened when my old club tried that as a season opener (true story). About 60 members put in four shots. Mine came 1,2,3 and 5. The fact that every one of them bombed during the league season, does not in any way alter my view that the membership, by sheer force of numbers, were perfectly correct. ;)
  11. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    My own club encourages the public to vote for their favourite picture at our annual exhibition. It's very rare indeed for one picture to get more than about 10% of the vote and the public's favourite almost never matches the judges favourite(s).

  12. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    No I think 9/10 of them are sunsets.

    I did win a public vote once at the annual exbn with a shot that also won at regional level. But in general I agree.
  13. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Mine too and last year three prints got almost dead equal with one (mine) one vote ahead. Personally I would have put the other two ahead as I thought that mine was too "chocolate box"
  14. William Parker

    William Parker Well-Known Member

    Many years back I belonged to a well known club but left it when I got married and left the area. I never bothered to rejoin one because I suddenly realised I should not be taking photos purely for competition entries. they should be because I liked the subject.
  15. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Unless you want to win competitions and already have a surfeit of pictures on subjects you like I suppose. There is no should about it. You can take pictures just to ease the spring on your shutter if you wish.
  16. William Parker

    William Parker Well-Known Member

    I would like to say I to like people looking at my photos and if they happen to like them that's even better. However non of them are intended as works of art and most are record shots or ad I like to consider them reportage. I have quite a few other interests and they tend to lend themselves to photography, come to think of it which don't? Intact to be honest most would find them boring.
    I simply have a 'flickr' account so my 'art' gets an airing that way. There are some extremely fine photographers on that site and I can see quite a few contributes from this veritable forum contribute. The Photographic Society I belonged to was one of the countries top ones then and I believe it still is and was an inspiration, ad it featured top guests. This was back in the 70s and the idea of digital photography simply did no exist. I found it to be s very friendly society and there was always seemed someone who would help and advise novices like myself.
  17. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Sounds fair enough. Competitions appeal to various types, but the best competitors do take pictures on subjects they like. They just do it a little better.
  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    For a given value of "better" ;)
  19. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Which is the inverse of worse. Can you imagine they win awards by doing it worse? ;)
  20. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Mike,

    Well, based on some club competitions I've seen...


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