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Writing selfishly, I think that this is a good idea

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Learning, Feb 11, 2019.

  1. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p070bfh0
    but not in detail.
    I like Edinburgh except for one set of things. Tourists. There are too many bloody tourists.
    The tax is not enough. I would suggest a tax depending upon season and events.
    Of course when I visit Edinburgh I am a tourist but I would willingly pay the tax if it reduced the numbers. I would charge day visitors more than those spending money for overnight accomadation.
     
  2. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Edinburgh needs to decide if it is a place for people to live or a place for transient events. This levy is a welcome indication that the council may have finally realised the shortterm-ism of always following the events agenda.

    Now let's have WPL, crack down on air b&b, and community-led decision making.
     
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  3. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    How on earth would one identify the day trippers and extract the cash?
     
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  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Eferyvun must ze correct badge be vearing!

    ;) :D
     
  5. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Good point. Just put up the car and coach parking costs for non-residents. Council tax payers could get windscreen stickers for vehicles registered in the city.
    Or maybe, on second thoughts, a bad idea. However the people staying in hotels and b&b do spend significant money with local business.
     
  6. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    There are two serious points here.
    Too many tourists spoil whatever it is the tourists come to see.
    Too many tourists spoil the lifestyle of people who actually live in these places and pay their council taxes.
     
  7. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Do they though? Eat lunch at Nando's, shop at Topshop, drink in a Wetherspoon's, dinner at Pizza Express...
    (other chains are available, but the point is much the same)
     
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  8. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Staying overnight costs more than buying a meal. The overnighters also buy meals.
    As for shoping at Topshot; is that of benefit to the local economy?
     
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  9. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    We have hordes of tourists here, too (the Edinburgh of the South). Most of them are off cruise ships, and visit for the day. A bad day is when there are 2 ships in port.
     
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  10. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Most hotels are not locally owned, same with most eateries. Almost all high street shopping is of minimal value to the local economy. Poverty wages on zero hours contracts, which is mostly spent on soaring rent as every once-affordable flat in the city is bought up for an unregistered (and non tax paying) air b&b and only student accommodation seems to be getting built.
     
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  11. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Our tourists come with their camper vans on the ferry. Bring their own food, stay for a few days at a beach and go. Others come off the cruise ship, straight onto a coach, visit Callanish, come back, back on the ship to eat. Others come on coach trips. Stay in a hotel (yeah!) wander around town, visit the library, visit the castle, buy some postcards, return to hotel. Just very very occasionally we get brave souls who come on a bus to visit other places. Boy! Do we make them welcome! I hope they enjoy the bus ride as much as we enjoy their company.
     
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  12. AlanW

    AlanW Well-Known Member


    Certainly air b&b is a problem and should be included, I feel sorry for residents living in stairs where's there's more than one or two, never mind 11!


    DSC3858 Air bnb.jpg
     
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  13. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    And unfortunately too few tourists may have a negative impact. Hotels, whether locally owned or not will suffer if too few people use them, likewise B&B’s, whether Airbnb or not. Chain restaurants or otherwise still depend on people coming in to eat. They employ local people and local producers (potentially)
    I run a small Airbnb, most of the guests that visit eat out in the local area, visit pubs. They use the local taxi guy. Granted, I don’t live in a massive tourist area but there are a few B&Bs etc in the area so enough people visit to make it worthwhile.
    I do agree though that people travelling into the area are an issue. Folk are attracted to the area because of its celebrity status, they have altered the feel of the village but I wonder what it would be like without people visiting and eating in the restaurants etc.
     
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  14. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Check out the #keyboxEH on Twitter, it's pretty depressing.
     
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  15. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    I have to say the chickens came home to roost for hotels, guest houses and b&bs. The cost of these in the UK is ridiculous for what is offered. I really don't blame people for looking for a better and mostly nicer place to stay when they are away from home. Even here on Lewis and Harris, the cost of hotels is ridiculous and we have our own airbnb places too now.
     
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  16. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    One of the downsides of Airbnb is the lack of registration and the potential lack of insurance. I had to get my house insurance from a specialist insurer as most normal house insurance companies will not cover it. How many are not actual covered?
    I choose to put in smoke and CO detectors, fire extinguishers and fire blankets. There is no requirement for me to do that. My boiler has been checked and serviced, again no requirement for me to do that. I try to protect myself from potential problems and try to cover H&S to the best of our ability. If it all goes wrong we have liability cover. I dread to think how many don’t.
     
  17. Footloose

    Footloose Well-Known Member

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  18. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Aberdeen regularly tops the RevPAR rankings, yet most of its hotel beds are empty... Offshore (as in oil/gas, not Cayman Islands) companies bulk book in case weather prevents crew from going out. Obviously Edinburgh doesn't have quite the same issue, but the high number of corporate visitors and 'captive' markets help keep prices high. Once had a walk-in on a rugby night at the 5* I used to work at. "Got a room?" he asked. "Yes, just the one, £375." He nearly keeled over so I suggested the budget chain hotel across the road. "Budget? They wanted £180." Another time I was just checking city rates in case an overbooking occurred, and I saw a Premier Inn (admittedly much closer to Murrayfield than us) was actually selling at a higher rate than we had sold out at. Will never know if they did sell out or were just chancing their luck.
     
  19. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    And a good day is when there are none, amiright? ;)
     
  20. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    OOP's I seem to have hit a few raw nerves, and not for the first time, and not accidentally.
    I am better at highlighting problems than solving them.
    I will get my coat until somtime tomorrow.
     
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