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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Bill Stewardson, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    I've been a lifelong supporter of Stoke City but have not been to a game for many years.

    They don't come and see me when I'm bad........
  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Mick

    Which is bollocks, as are all "highest IQ measured" claims. At the 99.9th percentile level, let alone 99.99th, you can't really measure IQ at all. All you can say is "off the scale". I joined Mensa in 1966 and it's done a lot for me -- indirectly, I met Frances through it, though she'd been dragged along by a friend, and I'd stopped subscribing years before -- but I found the premises and methodology more interesting than the people in most cases. Remember too that IQ is a relative scale so that (say) "over 178" on one scale may equate to "over 162" on another, both being 99.9th percentiles (figures from memory, on my sick-bed).

    Anyone else on this forum ever join? It was quite fun in the 1960s but when the Americans moved in wholesale it tended to become the province of (mostly computer) nerds who reckoned that the world owed them a living.


  3. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    I can't believe I have never looked up this match on youtube until today. It is from 1993 and from around the 4 min mark, I am one of those officers with nothing to protect us other than a stupid bit of wood, at the away end as they were pulling down the fences. lol. It was a lot worse than this looks. There are other videos too which show the horses and the dogs being deployed (despite the bad quality I think I found myself). The running battles continued onto the street as we were escorting the Swansea fans to Reading train station.

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  4. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    But, to the original question; no it is pretty much same as always, but far less violent than 1960s for instance.

    Oh and as to cost, wages of players etc, that is down to the people who don't go, rather than people who do. The people who don't go, but are prepared to pay huge amounts to watch on TV.

    On violence; there was a study (several actually) in the era of severe violence at football matches and one conclusion was it was a mirror of society and if it didn't happen inside grounds, it would happen on the streets. That led to containment strategies and was not necessarily wrong. At present you have a very divided and angry society. Effect of that will be seen in many ways. It will infect art, music and other forms of expression too.
  5. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    One could say that due to supply and demand, the Premier League players are worth the high wages they get.

    We may think they are vastly overpaid for kicking around a bag of wind, but obviously quite a lot of people want to pay to see them kick it around.
  6. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Only those who are incapable of doing it, like most things. ;)
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  7. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    Hi Roger,
    How are you? Well enough to take issue with me once more I see. :)

    That's good. Hope that you progress well and that Frances is bearing up and getting whatever support she needs.

    On your point.

    My point was that not all footballers are thick - no more than that. I was quoting some website or other with the 'highest ever' mention.
    I can't convince myself that minutiae of measuring of IQ ( if such a thing as IQ exists and can be measured) has much to do with either the thread or the point that I was making. Nevertheless it's good to see you in action again.

  8. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Throwing out a fishing line by any chance, Mike? ;)
  9. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    We'll have to see :)

    But I rarely hear people who are capable of doing something complaining about their rewards. Unless it is the "I could if I could be bothereds". Lot of them about and their skills surpass all.
  10. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    I rarely see anyone who is paid highly complaining about their rewards (except female tennis payers of course).

  11. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Who command one third of the TV audience (= return on the sponsor's investment) than men. Power of political correctness.
  12. Bill Stewardson

    Bill Stewardson Well-Known Member

    Thank God I never saw anything like that.
    Disgusting video,, great song.

    Thankyou for your service Sir.
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  13. Bill Stewardson

    Bill Stewardson Well-Known Member

    Walking through the players car park at games, seeing ordinary people wearing the shirt, coat, with kids attired the same, paying hundreds of pounds over a season for tickets, got to me.

    You see adults acting like they are possessed once the whistle goes. It’s seriously out of hand. A sort of hysteria. I don’t see it at the other sports I go to, why only football ?

    As for pay per view, that is definitely harmful to football long term, when did you last pay to watch boxing ? Again,,, why football ?
  14. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    I remember visiting Birmingham in the late 1980s - early 1990s on a Saturday afternoon, and being somewhat horrified by the battle ready police, battle ready police horses, and hooley(?) vans. I'd never seen anything like it before, and so close to New Street Station. I discussed it with my workmates, and their view was simple - a football match was an excellent way of getting all the riff-raff confined in a known place, and effectively out of the way for around 2 hours.
  15. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    Answer: Because they want to? I can't see anyone forcing them. I repeat, none of it is worse than 40/50 years ago. If you want an eye-witness report of the organiosed violence at the West Ham vs Man Utd match in 1967 when United won the league I'll continue.....Or pick any Millwall game, Spurs games I attended in that era, or ever heard of the Shed at Chelsea? Beyond belief that anyone thinks it is worse now. It is a picnic in the park. 50 years ago people lived for the game on Saturday, it was life or death. The tribes were stronger, better armed and more manic....by a long way.
  16. Bill Stewardson

    Bill Stewardson Well-Known Member

    Violence seems to have over taken this thread. I’ve been to 70 odd grounds over 40 odd years and hardly seen any. Examples being quoted are from decades ago. Football hooligans these days wear suits, sit in offices and plan how to extract as much money as possible from those willing to pay it.

    Admission prices should be set by Govt, discounted for away fans, minimum and maximum wage for players at all levels if pro, can a replica shirt really cost £50 ? A can of beer £3-50 or more, a brew £1-50 etc.

    I no longer see it as a “working class” game, and by and large, will no longer be paying into it.

    When you have a minute, Google the cost of a season ticket. Or, a match day ticket.
    Maybe you will be surprised/shocked.

    I’ve taken my kids regularly to Everton, Sheff Weds, and Rotherham,,, no more. I’ve been to Man City a few times and really enjoyed it, and that was as an away fan sat among the City fans.

    I can’t be bothered looking up attendance figures for all of football, I would suggest they are falling.

    It’s a shame.
  17. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    I rather think that Mike is right.

    I was at university in Manchester and lived in the shadow of the MU ground. In those days I liked watching football (who didn't enjoy seeing Best at his best) and so went there. I married a Mancunian and my son followed me and became a MU supporter. My F-in-Law was a friend of Joe Corrigan (M City goalkeeper at the time) and Joe got tickets for the boy and me to go to the City/United match at Old Trafford. Our seats were close to the Stretford end (where all the United fans congregated) . Of course the supporters surrounding us were City (tickets from City). City scored a couple of times and when they did we were showered with, sometimes sharpened, coins from the Stretford end. Horribly dangerous and very frightening. As we left we saw fights everywhere we looked. The police were having a very hard time.

    I saw nothing approaching those levels some years later when I still used to attend with the same son. But, as I said, I gave up and went local.

  18. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

    Adult match ticket at Southampton FC £39-£49 for a Premier league match.

    Adult match ticket at Bath Rugby up to £70 for a top flight match.

    Replica shirts are cheaper at Southampton too.

    Food and drink is comparable at both but facilities are far better at St Mary's than the Rec.
  19. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    £70 at the Rec? Absurd. I've got tickets for the East Midlands Derby, Leicester Tigers v Northampton Saints, a week on Friday. One of the biggest club games in Rugby. £45. For three of us, in total... I laugh at your £39-49, never mind your £70. ;)
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2019
  20. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I’ll bite. Let’s change the rules for the premier games. Each player gets a very sharp sword and goals are scored by decapitating an opposing player and kicking his head into the net. That’ll bring the fans in. :cool:
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