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Discussion in 'AP Magazine Feedback & Suggestions' started by jbhhall, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. jbhhall

    jbhhall Well-Known Member

    Looking through a p this week I had to skim past the rhino ,I think you should have put a warning on front cover. I hate to see things like that its horrible. I still haven't read that page I hope some of the money you get from ap this week you donate to the rhino .I usually keep my ap's but sorry this one going in bin.
     
  2. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    Why not give your AP to somebody who will appreciate it?

    AP sometimes plays too safe, so I'm glad glad that somebody was offended by this image.
    Note that I didn't say it was beautiful, or amazing, or any of the usual terms.
    But it deserved to be in AP.
     
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  3. Nigel_Atherton

    Nigel_Atherton Group Editor

    This image has been a controversial choice of winner of WPOTY because many people just want to see petty pictures of wildlife and not be confronted by the reality of what is happening to it. We are publishing a piece discussing this very topic in a forthcoming issue and indeed we are donating the fee to a conservation charity of the author's choice, at his request.
    As for putting a warning on the cover, I'm not sure this is practical or desirable - should all newspapers put warnings on the cover saying readers might find some of the pictures inside upsetting (or perhaps only if its of an animal, and not human suffering?). Should we give a similar warning next time we publish the famous napalm girl picture? Its a minefield, and I must confess to be being both perplexed and frustrated at how thin-skinned the world seems to be becoming. It's never been so easy to cause offence to someone or other.
     
  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    I doubt that. Mr(s) Grundy has always been with us but previously (s)he had to get past the letters editor. Now (s)he just types away on farcebook or twerper.
     
  5. Craig20264

    Craig20264 Well-Known Member

    It's not nice to look at, but it happens, and the only way it will stop is awareness and public outrage, which hopefully, this kind of image will promote.
    Sticking your head in the sand and hoping it will go away only works up until the age of about five.
     
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  6. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    To bring this issue a bit closer to home, how about a neighbour's feral cat tearing a songbird's nest, and nestlings, to pieces. I don't have a picture but I did see this after the bin men left the bin too close to a blackbird's nest previously protected by pyracantha. I heard a racket and looked through the window to investigate the cause without a camera.
    Suppose I had decided to deliberately replicate the event the following year, so as to photograph it. Would that be morally justified?
     
  7. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    Of course, in some ways some people can be five years old forever...

    I recall a year or two ago AP printed an image of (live) sheep outside the open door of a slaughterhouse where dead sheep were hanging from the ceiling - I think it had won a competition or award. I hope that 'jbhhall' didn't see that one.

    Personally, I'm offended by images of cute little furry animals taken with £2,000+ camera bodies and £9,000+ lenses, but I don't expect any other forum members to think it is worth discussing. Must have been my sheltered upbringing, or possibly that I was never given enough pocket money when I was a child.
     
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  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    If it belongs to a neighbour, then surely it isn't feral?

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  9. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    depends on whether they feed it or not.
     
  10. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    Some cats manage to be fed by lots of people who all believe they 'own' the cat...

    A better example might have been some idiot's dog, not on its lead, being allowed to harass live stock and being shot dead by a farmer.
    This happens occasionally in the UK, and any serious 'photo essay' about sheep farming could include dead or aborted lambs and a dog
    killed by a shotgun. Again, not the usual furry animal pictures, but real life, like the rhino picture.
     
  11. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Indeed. I have read that there are more cat "owners" than cats in the UK.

    Even so, "feral" means "gone wild", which is not really compatible with people providing food and shelter (PeteRob's point, not yours)..

    Point thoroughly taken about dogs!

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  12. William Parker

    William Parker Well-Known Member

    I fully understand why some would find those images objectionable ,no one, unless they have some serious mental issues, would find any pleasure in looking at the corpse of an animal that has been hunted and killed in this way.
    However it happens and I would like to think that if I had come across the dead body I would have photographed it and then uploaded or sent the images to as many interested parties that I could. As unpleasant as they are an image speaks a thousand words and the images published just might influence a few in authority and maybe even reduce or stop hunting of this type. If those Images save just one animal they have done their job.
     
  13. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    re. AP issue dated 17th March 2018 page 22 - Legends of Photography

    Margaret Bourke-White's photographs of 'the German invasion of Moscow in 1941' would be unique, because it did not happen.
    The German armies reached the outskirts of Moscow. The missing word 'attempted' makes so much difference.

    Also, is she only worth one page when Harry Borden gets two and Yuan Peng gets four?
     
  14. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    That sounds very much like an invasion to me. In fact the Germans took Khimki which is 30Km from the Kremlin and about the same distance as Hays to Westminster.
     
  15. Roger_Provins

    Roger_Provins Well-Known Member

    Soon be over for the northern white rhino anyway as there are only two females left and now no males.
     
  16. William Parker

    William Parker Well-Known Member

    Very sad, just seen it one the news.
     
  17. Chester AP

    Chester AP Well-Known Member

    It probably looked a short distance when looking at a map in Berlin, but it must have been a very long distance if the Red Army was in the way. The Nazi press and newsreels probably announced a victory, but fake news is nothing new - Trump just thinks he was the first person to notice (or invent?) it.
     
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  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the relatives of the 20,000,000 Soviet citizens killed by the Germans would share your view of the niceties of captioning.
     
  19. SqueamishOssifrage

    SqueamishOssifrage Well-Known Member

    Do please bear in mind, however, that Lenin and Stalin killed more Russians between them than Hitler did.
     
  20. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Andrew,

    Perhaps the inhabitants of Moscow might, though. Also, of course, capturing Ilford or Hayes is not quite the same as occupying Westminster -- and they're both nearer to Westminster than Khimki is to the Kremlin.

    Cheers,

    R.
     

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