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Royal Mail ban lithium batteries.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by swanseadave, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. Gromit

    Gromit RIP

    I'm not disputing what you say, merely pointing out that other airlines don't appear to have the same restrictions, or are not informing it's passengers of them.
  2. Bob Maddison

    Bob Maddison Well-Known Member

    The CAA is NOT an Airline, but its regulations cover all Airlines flying from the UK! Whilst individual Airlines might differ, the CAA regulations are the minimum standard.
  3. ianwaite

    ianwaite Well-Known Member

    Slight correction the CAA regulates all airlines registered within the UK (G registration). Foreign carriers operating into and out of the U.K.operate under their countries regulations i.e. U.S. via the F.A.A.

  4. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Major correction the CAA is NOT a regulator for aircraft above about 2500Kg, it is an agent of the regulator which in this case is EASA. EASA regulations apply to all European airlines from signatory countries. The CAA's regulator authority only applies to lighter aircraft. This is a mine field, but one I spend my days navigating. In any case IATA regulations on dangerous goods apply across regulatory authority boundaries so it doesn't actually matter who has jurisdiction these particular rules apply to everyone.
  5. ianwaite

    ianwaite Well-Known Member

    Sorry your wrong! I have held a UK commercial pilots licence since being 19 years old and very aware of the role of the CAA. EASA does not have any rights over a UK registered aircraft, other than providing Air traffic control europe wide and billing for facility usage within the E.U.

    Excerpt from CAA website:

    The role of the CAA’s Safety Regulation Group is to ensure that UK civil aviation standards are set and achieved in a co-operative and cost-effective manner. SRG must satisfy itself that aircraft are properly designed, manufactured, operated and maintained; that airlines are competent; that flight crews, air traffic controllers and aircraft maintenance engineers are fit and competent; that licensed aerodromes are safe to use and that air traffic services and general aviation activities meet required safety standards. To monitor the activities of this complex and diverse industry, SRG employs a team of specialists. They have an exceptionally wide range of skills, including pilots qualified to fly in command of current airliners; test pilots able to evaluate all aircraft types; experts in flying training, leisure and recreational aviation activities; aircraft maintenance surveyors; surveyors conversant with the latest design and manufacturing techniques; flight test examiners; aerodrome operations and air traffic control specialists; and doctors skilled in all branches of aviation medicine.Specific responsibilities include:
    • Commercial Aviation
    • General Aviation
    • Harmonising European Standards
    • Flight Operations
    • CAA/SRG Support to Government
    • Passenger Safety
    • UK Register of Civil Aircraft
    • Aircraft Maintenance
    • Structures, Materials & Propulsion
    • Aircraft Airworthiness
    • Aircraft Design & Manufacturing
    • Flight Crew Licensing
    • Medicals
    • Human Factors
    • Air Traffic Control Services
    • Aerodrome Licensing & Inspections
    • Incident Reporting
    • Research
    • International Consultancy & Training Services"
  6. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    You had better read this then, after which I suggest we drop this one because it will send everyone else back to sleep.

    Aviation regulation and policy is, as far as possible, harmonised across the world to ensure consistent levels of safety and consumer protection. Within Europe much of the regulations and legislation that the CAA uses to protect consumers is developed and enforced on a Europe- wide basis. These predominantly originate from the European Commission or via an EC agency.

    The CAA plays an active role in assisting with the development of these policies and regulations and has a close working relationship with the EC and other relevant bodies.
    European regulation covers areas ranging from emissions trading to financial protection for air holidays, compensation for passengers whose flights are cancelled or delayed, the harmonisation of air traffic control and the setting of safety regulations.
    An EC agency, the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), is responsible for developing aviation safety regulation for Europe. The agency also acts as the body responsible for approving new aircraft designs for aircraft, for example the certification of the Airbus A380.
    The CAA works very closely with EASA to implement and enforce the regulations in the UK.
    There is also a major project underway in Europe, that the CAA fully supports, to harmonise Europe's air traffic control systems. Known as the Single European Sky (SES) it aims to improve efficiency and capacity while reducing aviation's impact on the environment.

    As it happens, I have a meeting with the CAA on 19th so I had better get a grip on their scope.
  7. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Or in other words, you're both right, it's just a matter of semantics.
  8. ianwaite

    ianwaite Well-Known Member

    Might see you there, I have a medical at Aviation House, Gatwick on the 19th!

  9. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Nice idea Ian but unfortunately, they are coming to me. I always appreciate a day out of the office.
  10. moosebox

    moosebox Well-Known Member

    Don't most watches have lithium batteries?? Christ - we are all going to miss our planes now!!
  11. thornrider

    thornrider In the Stop Bath

  12. ianwaite

    ianwaite Well-Known Member

    Just wait till it burns through your wrist!
  13. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    Possibly, the leaflet refers to International mail, not domestic and that list looks a lot like the IATA dangerous goods advice and BA's baggage advice. Probably because they all contain the same information from the same regulations.
  14. thornrider

    thornrider In the Stop Bath

    Going back to the original post which was about the 7Day Shop - maybe their shipments are via International Mail because the actual source is International rather than just the order system.
  15. Alex1994

    Alex1994 Well-Known Member

    They still use Royal Mail, though not for lithium batteries, and also DPD couriers.

    The latter usually advise you of an hour-long delivery slot, which is very useful.
  16. IvorETower

    IvorETower Little Buttercup

    Maybe here, an incurable metal disorder ???

    Edit: and FWIW today I had a parcel from Royal Mail and guess what it contained? An in-car charger and two compatible Li-ion rechargeable camera batteries. Each battery was in a small plastic bag within a sealed small jiffy-type bag, and these were then placed into a sealed thick plastic courier-type bag. It was a tracked parcel. No questions asked, and seemingly no declaration on the packing that it contained class 9 hazardous goods.

    Relating back to the comments regarding laptop batteries etc, when you take them on board as your personal possessions, it seems that they do not need to be labelled, but if you are sending them "as cargo" then they may need to be packed and labelled in a particular way in order to comply with United Nations regulations
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2013
  17. GeoffR

    GeoffR Well-Known Member

    A watch battery is about the least likely to be abused possible. In the vast majority of cases you don't charge it, you can't short it, you can't crush it and as soon as it is flat you replace it so it won't over discharge.
  18. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Most watch batteris are silver oxide based.
  19. Bob Maddison

    Bob Maddison Well-Known Member

    Only if you buy a cheap watch costing less than a few grand!
  20. thornrider

    thornrider In the Stop Bath

    You means Esso garages aren't the centre of the British watch industry? :)

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