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Problems on the M1 - Jn14 to Jn15 Sept 19 2017

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Malcolm_Stewart, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Malcolm_Stewart

    Malcolm_Stewart Well-Known Member

    My local motorway, the M1, was closed, in both directions for most of today. This evening the security services were confirming that a corrosive substance had been found, but apparently no explosive material. I'm guessing that the forensic and hazardous materials specialists have done a good job, and that whatever evidence there is has been collected correctly. However, little thought appears to have been given to the public caught up in the queues of vehicles on both the north and south going routes. Eventually, the police were arranging for trapped vehicles to turn round and leave the M1 in some sort of controlled fashion, but this operation didn't appear to start until well into the afternoon for an incident which started before 08:00.
    Why such a delay? Are we that short of Police, or is considering peoples' basic needs not in the rulebook? Did the Emergency Services themselves have toilet facilities at the emergency?
     
  2. AndyTake2

    AndyTake2 Well-Known Member

    Are we short of Police? Yes.
    Was there a complete foul-up of the way the situation with the cars was handled? Yes.
    At one point, the Police were contemplating taking part of the central reservation out, so cars could turn round. Some jobsworth obviously put the stoppers on this idea.

    Doing this should be routine where dangerous packages need to be removed by EOD staff. At junction 14 there are both MK councils and Bedford councils within spitting distance, and it surely wouldn't be beyond the realms of feasibility to send a vehicle from junction 13 on the wrong side of the carriageway to knock out and unbolt the central reservation, lay down some plastic ramping and get people out of there.....although I think I have answered the reason why it wasn't done just there - it would need to be a co-ordinated effort between councils, Fire & Rescue, MoD and Police.
    Junction 15-14 is a different matter, but maybe someone will learn from this and a better strategy for future events can be thought out.

    Mind you, if it were found to be a chemical device, I bet the bloody sledgehammers would have come out double quick!
     
  3. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    It used to be a (relatively) regular occurrence on the M62 over the Pennines between Lancashire and Yorkshire for them to remove part of the central reservation railings and turn vehicles around - usually when heavy snow closed the route - which, as an aside, is why the original plan for the motorway proposed that the highest part of the route be covered by a roof!

    I've thought for many years that if these terrorist johnnies decided to move away from indiscriminate murder and go for total disruption and chaos instead, then placing three or four bombs under bridges on major motorways would be the way to do it. Imagine three explosions beneath major bridges on the M6, M1 and M25 - even if the bombs didn't collapse the bridges the roads would be closed for ages while structural tests were made. Combine this with similar action on the East and West coast main railway lines and the country would effectively be at a standstill as far as long distance travel is concerned.

    Cheers, Jeff
     
  4. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Hello, is that PREVENT? I know this bloke called Jeff.......
     
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  5. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Hello, this is GCHQ. We see from your online activity that you have an interest in firearms and have travelled extensively in Europe recently. We are more interested in you than in Jeff.
     
  6. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    Hello this is Donald Trump... my Government knew you would say that...you're an ally of North Korea and we are going to flatten you if you so much as stick your tongue out at us...
     
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  7. IvorCamera

    IvorCamera Well-Known Member

    Err the users of motorways don't mean anything to anybody any more, quite often by car, I travel the M6 north then back south a few days later, if you don't catch the jam on the way then you will catch it on the way back! last Saturday was the best ever return till I reached my get off at Birmingham City center, that delay cost me an hour.......why?
     
  8. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Bring it on, tangerine clown. :p
     
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  9. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

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  10. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    I had to go to a funeral on Monday on the Gower. We left at a time to make up for any delay on the M6 (from Cheshire J18) leaving home at 8am and we sailed through. Got to Wales in under 4 hours. Caught me out, had loads of time left. Not seen it like that for a long time.
     
  11. spinno

    spinno Well-Known Member

    That is just alternate facts put forward by CNN
     
  12. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    Surely you mean the failing CNN?

    Cheers, Jeff
     
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  13. Zou

    Zou Well-Known Member

    Sad.
     
  14. MJB

    MJB Well-Known Member

    I took my son back to university at Loughborough yesterday. Our route joins the M1 at Northampton (J15A). Other than a bit of congestion where the A5 crosses the A43 it was a clear run all the way there and back. It was a bit surreal having the M1 southbound pretty much to ourselves after the A14 junction though.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2017
  15. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Little thought has been given to motorway resilience generally. There need to be many more junctions so traffic can be routed away from incidents but that would cost money which neither this government nor many tax payers want to spend. In lieu of that never go on the motorway unless you have as the saying goes "a pot to piss in".
     
  16. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    When it stops it stops. When we went down to Devon for holiday (on a Friday) the trip down wasn't that bad but it looked as if the queue northbound on the M5 started at Exeter.

    Birmingham generally would be better served if they put average speed cameras on all the controlled sections and enforced them. Coming up via the M40//42/6 last weekend the Sat Nav was showing major congestion ahead - they had a limit of 40 in place for miles to control the build-up but very many people were (totally) ignoring it, except for braking hard for every gantry (those not familiar with which ones have cameras that is). So we all had a longer wait than we needed to.
     

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