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Poll - What puts you off buying new camera kit?

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Chrissie_Lay, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Cameras and lenses passed the point of exceeding a reasonable man's needs, a couple of generations back.
    Digital camera images have a "Different" quality to that of a film image.
    Film images are not capable of the same extreme sharpness and definition, but give far more subtle tonal transitions, even in their finest details.
    This is something new digital cameras seem unable to address.

    Except for highly specialised fields, the digital cameras that we now own, are probably far more capable, than most of us are at using them.
    As a result manufacturers are having great difficulty in differentiating their products, from those of their competitors, and even within their own ranges.
    lenses are now so good that even entry level offerings, by some manufacturers, exceed the best available of only a few years ago.

    We are asked "what puts us off from Buying new camera kit"
    It is not so much being put off, as lack of need. we have hit a glass ceiling.
    Roger Hicks likes this.
  2. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Is this just a cookie collecting exercise?

    It's a wonderful poll, obviously designed with the most lack of care to derive the least amount of useful information.

    Fake polling at AP?

    Whatever next?!
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  3. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    I was quite impressed with the hand-held lighting poll a few weeks ago, where the only positive answer available was something like "Yes - I love the Ice Light!", closely followed by this rather expensive piece of kit that I'd only ever seen in the pages of AP winning the magazine's award for 2017 Accessory of the Year!

    Cheers, Jeff
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  4. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    I too am underwhelmed that the Ice light, the most unwanted and useless bit of kit that I can ever remember seeing, has won AP's accessory of the year.
    It threatens a 50's accessory, based on the "See-back-o-scope", sold to enable photographs to be taken sideways as the most useless ever.
  5. daft_biker

    daft_biker Action Man!

    I have more kit than I have time to enjoy it so not having money to blow on new toys doesn't matter to me just now. Well not enough to get a proper job anyway ;)
  6. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

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  7. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    I'd agree with that Terry. A question about the emphasised sentence: do you think that applies to cameras, such as Fuji's for example, with built-in film emulation pre-sets? Be interested to know what you think. Cheers, Oly
  8. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Now you've done it, Jeff! No idea what an IceLight is. So now I will have to go look. Then, unless the price is substantial it may pose a risk to my "What I really need ...
    ... is to get down to clearing out unused & duplicated kit!"

    Unfortunately, no-one makes or sells an app for that! Cheers, Oly
  9. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Fujis are the best yet in my opinion. But I think it is the randomness of film grain in both size and position that contributes to the smooth rendition of tones. The Fuji xtrans sensor is certainly more random, but not to the extent of film. But no other sensor is as random as the Fuji one.
    Fuji seem to have struck the best balance between sharpness and tonality yet.
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2017
  10. P_Stoddart

    P_Stoddart Well-Known Member

  11. ChrisNewman

    ChrisNewman Well-Known Member

    These poll answer choices seem to be an exercise in semantics. I think:
    covers pretty well for me.

    I voted: “Nothing, I buy anything I need”. Having bought Nikon’s AF-S 24-70mm f2.8E VR earlier this year (only to find Sigma have announced an “Art” 24-70) I couldn’t claim I can’t afford kit. If the cost was trivial I’d like to upgrade my D800 to a D810, buy Nikon’s 400mm to 800mm super-telephotos and some other lenses, a few of the Gitzo tripods, and a geared head. But I couldn’t really claim “it’s all too expensive” for these if I really needed them; their combined cost of about £40,000 is almost trivial compared to a house in south-east England, and many people spend more than that on a car.

  12. Maroon

    Maroon Well-Known Member

    Is it just me or is pretty much every poll worded quite poorly.
  13. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Probably deliberate to encourage web clicks and hence advertising revenue
  14. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Getting at last around to posting an answer on this as it might just help or prod AP folk in their questioning of camera makers and their UK reps. One thing that would tease my wallet from its hiding place would be a camera or lens or other bit of kit that I would find really useful.

    So, yet another flip-touch-screen for selfies is no good unless it is fully articulated and can be folded screen in to camera both for protection & discretion.
    Yet another 24-70mm lens is useless. I want 28-105mm, please. Might settle for a fast 30-90mm or a slower, very compact constant aperture 25-100mm but 24-70mm because "we all make them because it is what everyone wants" - then no thanks.
    Making cameras larger & heavier is a disincentive to me.
    Taking essential features off (some camera models have lost EVFs in their backwardstep 'upgrades') is a disincentive to me.
    Not putting essential features on (optical zoom viewfinder on some digi-compacts) is a disincentive to me.
  15. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    No. Apparently no thought goes into them whatsoever, which is strange as they could - if well constructed - be very useful to camera and accessory manufacturers!

    You can only access the Poll & vote if your browser is accepting its cookie. It appears to be only the one, so am not sure how that stimulates any advertising, except in-house for Time Inc.
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2017
  16. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Interesting & noted. I constantly hear good things about them at present. Have a lot of respect for Fuji (at least up to a point o_O) Terry. Think they lost their way with a profusion (confusion?) of many different X models but are slowly getting back on track. If they work away at refining the X-Pro, X-T and X-A models, keeping the good bits and not spoiling them, then they could become a dominant force again. They probably are now, if the size of the crowds around their small stand at TPS last year were any indicator. Will be interesting to observe this year.

    Am disappointed that they messed up the X-20's successor instead of improving upon it. Cheers, Oly
  17. Fishboy

    Fishboy Well-Known Member

    What do you think of AP polls?

    - They’re great – I really enjoy them!

    - I never read them

    - I read them but seldom vote

    - I’ve never noticed them


    There are ways of making sure that nobody says anything detrimental about the quality of the questions asked...

    Cheers, Jeff
  18. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    In regard to the x10, x20, and x30 range, I have all of them. The x10 has a very different and interesting sensor, which they dropped in favour of the Xtrans. The x20 hsd a vastly improved optical viewfinder, but was still inaccurate. Whils the X30 was for me quite excellent all round. And still my day to day camera of choice.

    I would agree they seem to have too many models.
    the XE range is the obvious entry level camera for a crop sensor.
    While it is matched by the XT 10 range for those who prefer the Dslr styling.
    The XT2 is quite clearly top of the Range except for those few who prefer the rangefinder styling and optical finder of the Xpro range

    I am not at all clear who the viewfinder-less or fixed lens cameras are aimed at.
    But the viefinder less ones would be excellent for use on a pan bracket, for dedicated pan and 360x180 work. As they would share lenses an accessories.
  19. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Many years ago I was on a teachers advisory physics panel for East African Examining board.The topic of multiple choice questions often came up and some of us actually studied the issue in some detail. The obvious thing to write is that setting valid multiple choice questions is not trivial. It is very difficult. The best approach is to write your draft questions and then present them to colleagues who then tell you what is wrong. Finding fault with one's own questions is surprisingly difficult; finding fault with colleagues' questions is easy. You agree to be brutally honest before the reviewing starts.
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  20. K Kapoor

    K Kapoor Member

    I don't buy something new because for three things.
    1. I let experts use it, rate it and rough use it to determine if its a good product.
    2. The introductory price is always too high.
    3. I wait till my current gear is actually not capable of something (not technology wise) that the new camera can.

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