But you addressed a point I wasn't making - never for a moment did I suggest that. And I would ask what experience you have of manual focusing by live view to be so utterly dismissive. As for the rest, well I can only presume you've resorted to insult because you know in your heart of hearts that you've lost the argument. Seldom have I seen an intelligent person both so utterly miss the point so often, write so much invective that could come from Grumpy Old Men or a photographic version of the Daily Mail, or be so unwilling to consider that there might be valid alternatives to his own point of view, or for that matter change the basis of his argument to such an astonishing degree - one moment there's huge pent-up demand for bellows that the manufacturers refuse to satisfy because of the technology, the next there's no demand because photographers have dumbed down because of the technology. As our American friends would say, go figure.