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POLL - Movie mode in DSLRs

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Damien_Demolder, Sep 13, 2008.


What would be your choice?

  1. 1. Chris

    0 vote(s)
  2. 2. Smithy

    0 vote(s)
  1. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    (To beejaybee)
    Those things are so low res it's not true.
    Scarlet runs to 3K native, 2.1K after debayering, 120fps capapble, 180fps 5 sec burst, recording onto CF cards (Ok, UDMA, but still CF), and it's a complete digital cine camera, and NOT a specialist item but aimed at reletivly mass-market.
  2. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    As I am now identified as the patronising, old ,fart, that I am.

    I would like to affirm everything I do with my cameras is fun, even frivolous at times.
  3. Ian_A

    Ian_A Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm a 55yr old git, I have two mini DV video cameras as well as a couple of DSLR's and a shedload of film cameras.

    A video facility on DSLR's would suit me, it would give me the option to shoot a bit of video when out taking stills if something came up that was worth filming.

    Both my DV cameras can take stills, unfortunately a little under 2MP, but good enough for 7"x5" if need be. The better of the two cameras has a zoom lens equivalent to 800mm at the long end on a 35mm camera - and it's stabilised too - which is nice. The cheaper one even has a built-in flash unit.

    I haven't a clue what video buffs think of the stills facility on video cameras, but I certainly find it useful.

    Maybe if the video mode was called PCSO mode instead more of us would find a use for it? :D
  4. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Oh? Well, mine's the 1280x960 monochrome version, so it's the same resolution as a 5MP colour camera. Anyway IMHO 1.3 MP in a 1/2" format CCD is plenty. N.B. The colours in the images are artificially added in post processing. Mono cameras are far superior for narrow waveband imaging in both Ha and CaK, as Ha is mostly rejected by the "red" filter and CaK is almost completely suppressed by the "blue" filter in Bayer filtered cameras.

    The really great thing about the Imaging Source cameras is that they contain essentially nothing but the imaging chip and a FireWire (or USB v2) interface ... you said you wanted a stream of raw images, and that's what you get.
  5. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    Did you bother to check out the link I gave? I at least followed up your pointer. What I am after is a cam I can put on a tripod or dolly with actors in front of it, while my 1st AD calls "Turn Over.....Mark It.....Action!"
  6. Ian_A

    Ian_A Well-Known Member

    I see the new Canon EOS 5D Mark II has a full HD video capability.

    Oh dear oh dear ... :rolleyes:
  7. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    we're all doooomed I tell you, dooomed!
  8. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Although Video is not for me... at least the 5Dmk2 version sounds both higher quality and more functional. The 12minute limit at full quality seems more than enough for the odd news clip. Though I don't know how long you must wait before you can take another 12 minutes. To put it into perspective a full 8mm reel of cine film lasted 4 minutes. and if you were using the excellent mechanical Bolex you needed to re-wind before even that.
  9. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    But it records in MPEG 4 (Ugh!) and at 30 fps which is useless. 24fps would at least make BluRay authering easy.
    I won't be buying one, prefering a dedicated cine camera.
  10. Crosstalk

    Crosstalk Well-Known Member

    Which rather blows a hole in the argument that it's just a gimmick to get compact users to upgrade...

    Ultimately it will be the market that decides if this is useful or not. If compromises that have been made devalue it's capabilities or usability as a DSLR, then it won't sell as well as expected - the problems will be rectified, or the feature removed. It's not the first time that features from compacts have been tried in SLRs then quietly dropped. (Powered zoom anyone?)

    Personally, I think it will be a success and will survive. At the bottom end, the compact upgraders will use it in the same way as they did on their compacts. (I've used it twice in 3 years on my compact). At the other end, I can see that the newspaper togs might also find it useful. - Another potential revenue generator.

    I can also see plenty of commercial / industrial photography applications where a short video clip can improve the context of detailed stills. (Think planning, estate agency, accident investigation etc)

    Where I don't see it being overly successful is in the amateur / creative markets not just because a lot of user in this market are, well lets just say, conservative, but it just isn't what this market segment is about. Maybe that's why they chose not to put video in the enthusiast targeted 50D.

    These marketing types aren't daft (shock, I know) but the manufacturer's won't commit R&D budgets unless they really think there's £££ (or more likely $$$) to be made by developing these features.
  11. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    Pad out? Yes. Waste storage space? Yes. Improve? NIMHO.
  12. john_g

    john_g Well-Known Member

    The much-discussed continuous-shot beach scene in Atonement was only 5 1/2 minutes long. So, in theory, pretty much any cinema film could easily be made using a Nikon D90 or, if you had a big enough budget, a Canon 5D II.
  13. Barney

    Barney Well-Known Member

  14. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    Well, when I saw this I gave out a sigh and the words dumbing down came to mind. Its funny cos I use the movie mode on my Panasonic bridge camera cos its quite good(thinking of selling our JVC Video camera) but on a SLR?? Hmmmm
  15. DaveS

    DaveS Well-Known Member

    Just don't try moving the cam, else you'l get what our American friends call "jellovision" wobbling video.
  16. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    I wonder about this - so here's a bit of research I think some people might find illuminating.
  17. Larry Shone

    Larry Shone Well-Known Member

    Number 3 for me,occasional use. I have used it to film one of my Tarantulas catching prey and put it on you tube, its surprisingly high quality too! Had to edit bits out tho to get it within you tube's 100 MB limit
  18. Overread

    Overread Well-Known Member

    I had to go with option 1 since all I have it my precious - -er 400D....

    Also digicompacts are going tobe left in the dust by the Canon and Nikon DSLR offerings in general so I would expect use of the feature to increase for owners of those systems - of course depending on their use of the camera. Those using it in te studio at work will probably never ever touch the option whilst most amatures I expect will use it at least once - probably more times if they have pets/holidays/children
  19. beejaybee

    beejaybee Marvin

    That's why I asked now. I thought it was possible that some people might be using the video facility of their compact camera for kids, family etc ... despite the rather poor quality, which doesn't seem to put people off buying expensive dedicated video cameras, most of which seem to deliver results which are distinctly worse than a decent VHS tape, let alone VGA quality digital images.

    From the early results of "my" poll it appears that most people have the capability to take videos on their digital compacts but that very few use it. Note, I asked how many people use it, not how many people think it's a good facility to have. On the basis of that evidence, I respectfully suggest that the market represented by the readers of this forum is not likely to clamour for video on DSLRs, or criticize a DSLR model for omitting it.
  20. Nigel_Atherton

    Nigel_Atherton Group Editor

    On the other hand, over one third of respondents (so far) use video occasionally or often on their compact (and video is pretty rubbish on compacts).
    Since users of this forum are more conservative than the DSLR market as a whole, the overall figure will likely be more than a third. Even a third of the overall potential worldwide DSLR market is quite a lot of people.

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