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Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each year?

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Chrissie_Lay, Apr 8, 2015.

  1. PhotoEcosse

    PhotoEcosse Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Although I was born in Musselburgh, grew up in Portobello and was educated in Edinburgh, I have to agree with you, Kate, that Glasgow is a far friendlier, more natural, less snobby and more cultured city. (Mind you, they don't have a fitba team to compare with the Hearts!)

    I am talking about the city centres, both of which are very safe to walk around at night - although both cities do have some very depressed peripheral housing schemes.

    Eric
     
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  2. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Hi Roger, that's good going! In central London with a whole day to spare it's possible to do four or five but I reckon there's a danger of visual indigestion if I try to do more than two.

    Didn't get to do one today in the small amount of time I had available - had Marc Riboud at Atlas Gallery in my sights but train times wouldn't permit it. :( Cheers, Oly
     
  3. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Kate, I'd echo that. Sometimes I'm lured in by distant vague hints of monochrome only to find it's not photography but etchings, lithograph, pen & ink, photo-realist, whatever and still love some/most/all of the work on offer - or at least appreciate it, critique it, learn from it.

    At a recent FishSlab show a youngish impressionist/abstract (colour) painter had work made in The Swale (between Faversham & Seasalter) an area I know well and have photographed extensively. He had captured the essence of the place. Watch out for Paul Fowler. Cheers, Oly
     
  4. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Dear Oly,

    Certainly it changes the way you look at exhibitions. If you don't like something, you can walk out and go to something you may enjoy more, a few minutes away. You should however do so only after you have thought about WHY you don't like it (for example, derivative, shallow, over-conceptualized, second rate or simply doesn't suit your personal taste).

    I must say I'm a little surprised from some of the responses here at how few exhibitions most people get to, though I can understand all the usual difficulties of distance, time and expense: I have had the same problems myself. I'm rather more surprised at how little effort some people seem to make to get to exhibitions. And I'm astonished at people who don't seem to care about exhibitions at all. Increasingly I regard an indifference to exhibitions as being close akin to an indifference to photography itself.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  5. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Or simply a different perspective on what people wish to see and where they wish to see it?

    It seems to me that anyone who judges others on the basis that they hold differing views is displaying the arrogance of ignorance. Leaving others to enjoy what they wish, so long as they bring no harm to others by doing so, is the hallmark of the truly civilised.

    Luckily, most real artists understand this...

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  6. Atavar

    Atavar Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    And interesting observation... I would put this in context of other media and it does seem to ring true, "Increasingly I regard an indifference to going to he library as being close akin to an indifference to reading itself." or "Increasingly I regard an indifference to visiting the Cinema as being close akin to an indifference to watching films itself."

    ...however saying it that way ignores how a person may use and get gratification from said consumption and creation of media - Libraries, for instance, are on the brink of vanishing as hard copy and digital download of books can be with a person instantaneously, or next-day via delivery, a near instant gratification and much faster than a library can get it in if it does not have the required book in stock (some libraries have e-book services, however the old saying too little too late...). Walk in to a library today and you may well find the most densely populated part of the building is the people on the hour-slot bookable computers using them for their information and entertainment needs rather than the packed shelves around them. The books are not their use for reading at that moment, and they are not their intended gratification. This is how I see it for photographers not overly concerned by exhibitions of others works. They are simply using and enjoying photography in a manor maybe not experienced by those who enjoy and seek out exhibitions, just as the computer users in the library are enjoying and using the library in a manner frowned upon by those scanning the shelves and most likely the trained library staff working there, too.

    Libraries are a sad comparison, and the above statement is not true in all places, but then I am in a county where the regional council is closing 32 libraries to save £2 million - a 68% drop in coverage. How old were you when you stopped visiting the library every single week?
     
  7. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    This is my opinion as well.
    Still, I guess this is a very biased sample on this Forum, at the moment, anyway. For me photography is one art form to be appreciated amongst other forms. A love of art makes me want to look at other people's work.
    Some here, however, seem not to feel this way. No appreciation of those who have gone before or of current photographers' work.
    Only their own self gratification.

    S.A - Arrogant ignorance? A phrase I can agree with, although not to whom it is directed.
     
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  8. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    A bit over the top?

    Sorry. Please accept these roses with my humble apologies...

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  9. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Your parallels are some way from exact, but when they come within shouting distance of my points, they tend to support my arguments.

    First, although like many people I read and enjoy e-books, they are a pretty second-rate substitute for a real book: just another computerized pseudo-experience, with none of the tactile and olfactory appeal of a book, and dependent on re-charging. But they're cheap, and delivered in minutes. "Next day delivery" for real books in English would be wonderful if it happened where I live in rural France, but it doesn't. If it did, I'd probably read more fiction in real, book form.

    The library comparison can hardly be sustained. The joy of a library is browsing; reading a few pages; and making up your mind to borrow it, or moving on. The selection in a library is of course limited and to some extent aleatory, but this is still (for me) a vast improvement on "You might also like..." which attempts to force me into a niche of Amazon's making.

    As for the computers in the library, I strongly suspect that the reason they're so heavily booked is because people who can't afford computers are required, under penalty of losing their benefits, to apply on line for large numbers of jobs every week.

    To return to the book/e-book argument, watching a film on a television, computer or (worst of all) tablet is once again hopelessly second-rate as compared with going to the cinema. Its sole advantage is that it's cheap'n'easy. It's what you do if you don't care very much about cinema. The same would apply to concerts. I don't care enough about music to go to more than a handful of live concerts a year, but I go to enough (and have been to enough) to know that the experience of live music is completely different from that of listening to it through speakers.

    Exactly the same is true of photographic exhibitions: the experience of seeing a real print in a gallery (even a temporary gallery), instead of something strained through a computer screen, is utterly different and better. I do care about photography, so I do go to exhibitions. I also stage my own. I would not, therefore, withdraw my argument that if anyone really does care about photography, they really ought to expend more time and effort on going to galleries (and possibly even putting on shows) than, for example, on posting snide little snipes on line. Obviously that one isn't aimed at you, but it does explain why I use the ignore option in a couple of cases.

    Of course it's perfectly all right to be a snapshotter who will never understand that photography can be a lot more than what is available on line, just as it's perfectly OK to be a gear fondler, but if happy-snaps and gear-fondling are all someone does, it really doesn't seem that they are really all that interested in the broader church of photography.

    Finally -- almost an aside, but one of my pet hates -- one does not "consume" media or art. One appreciates them, or not, but one normally leaves them in much the same state as they were before. Framing everything in terms of "consumer" or "customer" debases humanity.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  10. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Highlight: In Tibetan iconography, Yama, Lord of Death, is often portrayed holding up a mirror. He does not judge the dead unaided: they also judge themselves in the mirror.

    I sort of agree about "one art form to be appreciated amongst other forms. A love of art makes me want to look at other people's work" but equally I'll go a lot further out of my way for a photo exhibition than for a sculpture exhibition or indeed a painting exhibition. Partly, I think, this is because there are a lot more good photographers about than sculptors or painters, not least because photography is easier, but rather more, I suspect that it is because I can better understand and appreciate photography because I know far more about it than I know about sculpture and painting.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  11. PhotoEcosse

    PhotoEcosse Well-Known Member

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    Wow Roger!

    As so often happens, I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with a little of what you say, agreeing somewhat with much of what you say........ but then I am left with a feeling that you may have stepped just a little over the line in terms of reasonableness and tolerance. I so often want to add a "but....." to what you write. (And you know the old cliché: "everything before the "but" is irrelevant.")

    For example, I totally agree with, and share, your love of the tactile and olfactory appeal of a real printed book. I would extend that, even more emphatically, to a real printed photograph. Photographs on a screen do nothing for me at all.

    I have thousands of books. The ones that I open tend to be textbooks or manuals of an instructional nature. For example, if I want to learn a new skill in Photoshop, my personal learning style favours learning from a printed book rather than from one of those ghastly YouTube videos.

    But for novels and other bedtime reading, I use a Kindle - on the grounds of practicality and cost. If I finish a novel at 1:30am and am still not sleepy, I can go to the Kindle Store, select another book and have it ready to read in a couple of minutes without getting out of bed - at a cost of maybe 10% of the paperback version.

    Same with films - I agree totally that watching a film in a cinema is immensely more stimulating than watching it on TV or, even worse, on a computer. But, when I finish printing a few photographs at 10:00pm and want to relax with a movie for a couple of hours, Netflix and Chromecast are my friends.

    I could make the same comparison between live theatre and cinema. Next Thursday I will be watching a National Theatre performance of Tom Stoppard's "The Hard Problem". But I will be watching it in the cinema as part of the NT Live programme because I can do that in Stirling, rather than boarding a plane to London. It won't be as good but it will be the next best thing.

    So I agree with some of what you write and love how you write it - but maybe a little softening around the edges is necessary to make it more applicable to my world.

    Eric

    PS - Don't count the "buts" in what I have just written.
     
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  12. Catriona

    Catriona Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    I guess I'm just continually curious.
    For example, I found a photographer, Karl Houtteman, today. Current photographer - Belgian. His series on Paris and Venice were pure art, to me. The medium wasn't even important. I just looked and appreciated the results.
    Hope it's the last thing I lose. :)
    Kate
     
  13. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Dear Eric,

    Highlight: sure. No question. We all go for the "next best thing" sometimes on the grounds of cost, convenience and so forth. Few of us can afford to do otherwise. But my original point was simply that I am astonished at some of the responses here, which amount to "I never go to exhibitions 'cos I can't be bothered" or "'cos they aren't important".

    Really, I don't think I've been unreasonable or intolerant. You and I agree wholeheartedly that some things are just better. My belief is that people need to be reminded of that. Many of them appear not to know it. Or just not to care.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  14. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Dear Kate,

    Again, sort of. Yesterday someone gave me a large format art book called Vienne 1900, about Klimt, Schiele, Moser and Kokoschka. She'd been given it and found it "pornographic", but she didn't want to throw it away.

    I was reasonably familiar with Klimt and Schiele; was distinctly hazy on Kokoschka; and didn't know Moser's work at all. The book is gorgeous and I'm very glad to have been introduced to Moser. But I wouldn't go as far out of my way to see an associated exhibition as I would to see a photo exhibition: that's all.

    There's also the intriguing point that some photographers' work looks better to me in a book, when well reproduced, than it does as original prints -- especially when the originals are grotesquely over-enlarged, as Ansel Adams's pics often were. But unless I'd seen both originals and reproductions, I wouldn't know that.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  15. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Addendum. Having now looked at about half the pictures in the book, I probably WOULD go to an exhibition, to try to see what the fuss is about. They're quite interesting but the originals must be a lot more interesting, or no-one would have bothered to set up the massive exhibition of which this is effectively the catalogue. They just pall too fast.

    It reminds me of the (considerably younger) sister of a girlfriend, around 40 years ago, who said that she really, really liked David Hamilton's work: she was maybe 15, and the girlfriend was maybe 20. It soon became clear that she (the sister) had only ever seen a few of his photographs. I gave her a Hamilton book, and she produced what I think is the best analysis I have ever heard of Hamilton: "You see a few pictures, and you think, wow. Then you see some more and you think, yeah, they're good. Then you start thinking, 'Isn't there anything else he can do?'"

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  16. PhotoEcosse

    PhotoEcosse Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Roger,

    Once again we agree .....that people may benefit from being reminded. My only concern is that we should try to remind them without making them feel bad about the differences or inadequate in some way.

    Eric
     
  17. PhotoEcosse

    PhotoEcosse Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    .....but, returning to the theme of this thread, you may be heartened, Roger, by a post I put in another section of the Forum a short while ago:

    http://www.amateurphotographer.co.u...4-Fife-P-MUG-Exhibition&p=1319905#post1319905

    Fife P-MUG is a Facebook group set up by a woman who had been mugged while out on her own taking photographs. She set up the "Meet-up Group" so that amateur photographers could arrange to go out together and find safety in numbers.

    There are now about 130 members of that group which covers the Kingdom of Fife.

    It only began last August but, last month, they took over an empty shop unit in Kirkcaldy's main shopping centre for a week and mounted an exhibition of around 80 of their prints.

    Encouraged by the success of this, in terms of public response, they immediately arranged another exhibition - this time for 66 prints - in the foyer area of the Rothes Halls (a public events area, performance arena and café adjacent to the main shopping centre in Glenrothes) for three weeks.

    This is a group of amateur photographers who have very quickly realised that not only are prints much more satisfying to produce but are also much more appreciated by the public than "online galleries".

    Eric
     
  18. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Dear Eric,

    OK, you do it your way and I'll do it my way. Why NOT make them feel as if they ought to get off their bums sometimes? Or just make them think about how important photography really is to them? And, if necessary, admit that they're perfectly happy just bumbling along. But if they want to bumble, they should realize what commitment costs, as in the old Spanish proverb, "Take what you want, and pay for it, saieth the Lord."

    Years ago, I realized that what holds most people back -- me included -- is spreading themselves too thin, and not making enough of a commitment. My own view is that people think more when their complacency has been shaken, rather than pandered to.

    Cheers,

    R .
     
  19. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Dear Eric,

    Yes, yes and yes again!

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  20. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - How many photography exhibitions do you go to each ye

    Wise words.

    Perhaps we need to sign a treaty, agreeing to stop being disagreeable and prohibiting phrases of mass destruction like "that's stupid" or "you're just plain wrong" or "he has no idea what he's talking about"...

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