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Poll - Are you in a camera club?

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Damien_Demolder, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a nice Club Graham, and if I were nearer to it, I'd love to take you up on the offer of tea and biscuits :D.

    Of course competitions are part of camera club life, and there are many people that thrive on them. As I said earlier, as long as these are not mandatory, and balanced with other aspects of photography (workshops, tutorials, intersting talks, and perhaps the occassional field-trips etc), then you should be able to "please most of the people, most of the time".

    Finding a club with a balanced programme, in my local area, has proved difficult, with one club actually stating that members are expected to enter competitions, both internal and external.

    A fairly new club that I found, over the border in Essex, does have a more balanced programme, but none have yet equaled that of the Glemsford club, which although a 50 mile round trip for me, is very tempting.

  2. phaeo

    phaeo Well-Known Member

    Having spent nearly 40 years involved in Aviculture and rising through the ranks to the position of Chairman for a National Specialist Cage Bird Society and vice chairman of one of the nations governing body’s, I found I was constantly trying to keep warring factions apart , the idea of joining another club is rather off putting , Thankfully I no longer keep, breed , Exhibit or Judge Cage Birds any more, as the whole experience of inter Society politics and cliques put me off the hobby for life.

    But I am led to understand that there are a few Photographic clubs local to my self…. Smethwick , being the closest and judging by there website it looks like a very well run club, so maybe in time I may pop along to one of there meetings as the old saying goes nothing ventured nothing gained.

    And I would just like to point out that a friendly well run club is not only a joy to attend but also a joy to be part of as well…
  3. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    Perhaps "attitude" was not the most appropriate word but the feeling I get is that you are approaching the club scene with a somewhat pessimistic outlook and expecting to be disappointed. All I can say is it's better not to assume that every club is going to be as clique riddled and competition obsessed as some sadly are.

    As I said way back at the beginning of this thread I belong to 2 clubs and no I didn't encounter an unwelcoming clique culture at either - though I won't deny that there are members who do tend to group together to some extent but I wouldn't call them cliques. Having followed this thread since the start I do get the feeling that I seem to have been a bit lucky compared to other folks experiences.

    I would also suggest that one of the best ways to break through the apparent reserve of the existing membership is to participate in club events as much as possible and that includes competions - other members will come up and ask how you did something or reckon the judge was mean once they start to see your pictures - you just don't have to take them as seriously as some folks do, use them as a means to get your face and name known.

    As a last point I'd also like to suggest that some of the reserve new members feel is probably down to the fact that the members are uncertain about you - after all they don't know you, they don't know if you're freindly and approachable any more than you know whether they are...
  4. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    I am trying not to be pessimistic Nigel, but unfortunately some of the feedback that I have seen, not just here on this forum, but on others where I have followed discussions on camera clubs with interest, has painted a rather unfavourable 'stereotype' picture of camera clubs.

    Add to this what I have learned from reading the published programme of activity for many camera clubs, which shouts, competition, competition, more competitions, supported by very little other photographic activity.

    Conversely, I have also have learned that there are some good clubs out there, where other aspects of photography share an equal slice of the club's programme, along with competitions. I'm sure that your own clubs fit this crtieria.

    Unfortunately, with the exception of one, which at almost an hours driving distance is borderline with respect to being conveniently located, none of the three other clubs local to me, fit what IMO, is a balanced programme criteria. In fact one is competitions to the extreme.

    Here is the programme (Apr 2010 to Apr 2013) of the one that I consider ideal, and that is almost an hours drive away:

    Photo surgery evening
    Practical night - Flora & Fauna
    Competition Night
    Field Trip
    Field Trip
    Portrait Photography Demonstration
    Field Trip
    Show & Tell evening - the last 12 months
    Practical night - Flash Photography
    Practical night - Light effects and glass
    Practical night - Lenses and focal lengths
    Practical Night - Close ups and over exposing
    Practical Night - Restoring old photographs
    Practical Night - Water
    Competition Night
    Photo Mounting Demonstration
    Competition Night
    Field Trip
    Photoshop Workshop
    Practical Night
    Guest Speaker
    Practical Night - Movement

    And here's the programme (Sep 2012 to July 2013) of one of the other three, and NOT the competition to the extreme one, where members are expected to enter the competititons:

    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    competition realted evening
    Competition reated evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening
    Competition related evening

    Although I have been an enthusiastic amateur photographer for many years, it is not until very recently that I though about joining a camera club, and started looking at what existed in my local area.

    To say that it has been a bit of an 'eye opener', and disappointment, is an understatement. :(

    That said, maybe the problem has been my naivety in thinking that camera/photography clubs would be mainly about photography. Sadlly, that seems not to be the case in South Suffolk.:(

    With the exception of one club, of course :D

    Last edited: Jul 12, 2012
  5. El_Sid

    El_Sid Well-Known Member

    There's competition oriented and then there's ridiculous........[​IMG]

    Equally no-one should ever be expected (read forced) to enter competitions either. Sadly it does look like the clubs in your area have rather lost the plot.

    The round trip does look kind of worth it, especially if you cherry pick the best nights to costs down.:)
  6. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    It is a serious option Nigel. The only concern is that it really is a 'cross country' drive, and although up until Sep last year, I had 4x4s for a few years, and never got stuck. I now have a 2 wheel drive car. Living in the 'sticks', can present problems when it snows. The route to the 'ideal club', takes in a lot of country lanes.

    If I wasn't already committed to running my astro-imaging group, and its associated forum, I would seriously consider starting my own camera club, and hope to draw in some accomplished amateur photographers to help run it.

    I have an excellent venue, being the one I use for the astro-group.


    Edit to previous post: Apr 2010 to Apr 2013 for the 'ideal club', should read Apr 2012 to Apr 2013
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2012
  7. Scphoto

    Scphoto Well-Known Member

    Dave's post made me look at our programme:


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Interclub Comp


    Unannounced (probably a Talk/Practical Evening though)
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Xmas break


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening


    Talk/Practical Evening
    Talk/Practical Evening

    Quite varied, which is nice (I've only included the normal Club evening - Tuesday - there are some things such as the exhibition and away legs to interclubs on other days that I've not mentioned)
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2012
  8. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Digital Dave & El Sid,
    Don't want to 're-quote' that long programme comparison but would like to comment on the last few posts:
    1. A member cannot be made to enter competitions, whether club or external, unless it is a rule that is made clear on, and is a condition of, joining.
    2. The club that had two talks and all remaining competitions I suggest is exceptional. Most clubs have a talk to competitions ratio somewhere between 60:40 and 40:60%
    3. There are exceptional clubs out there: I know one which had a ratio of competition to other activities (including talks) of 18:82! I know of another two that have no internal competitions whatsoever.

    There could be a variety of reasons for that sort of programme, not least that it is a choice of the club. Groups as well as individuals make choices and while we have that freedom let's make the most of it. :)
  9. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    Another good one there Stephen :cool:

    It just goes to show that it can be done. It just needs some of these 'stick in the mud' committee members, that have probably held their position for many years, to either get out of that endless rut, and follow the example of the more dynamic clubs , or move over.

    The latter being easier said than done, as its not alway easy to get people to volunteer to do a bit of work for their club.

  10. phaeo

    phaeo Well-Known Member

    I have no experiance at all with Camera Clubs, but reading this post reminds me of the very reason I gave up a life long hobby within the Cage bird world, there are far to many people rooted on committees that just wont accept change, then on the other hand newer members dont seem to be interested in joining the committee, so sadly nothing really ever changies, if you are in a well run club then you must count your self as very lucky indeed...
  11. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    I'd like to make a point that seems to have been missed but before I do some facts. Of course my facts apply to the single club that I know and I'm not presenting them as a generalization.

    About 45% of our meetings are competition related and they are the best attended meetings in the program. We limit our membership to 100 because the room that we use won't accept our maximum attendance. Average attendance on non-comp nights is 60-80. On competition nights it rises, only slightly to 70-90. We know that because 'elf 'n safety' means that we have to sign in on arrival.

    Competitions seem to meet a deep seated human need (cage birds??).

    Now my main point. Competitions seem to be regarded as not being about photography and I don't 'get' that. I admit that the process of assigning marks and producing a 'winner' is faintly ridiculous (but it's done here on AP as well) but how else would one get to see a great number of very different pictures and hear expert comment about them. If you don't learn something from that experience then I'd suggest that you have cloth ears. OK some judges (really not many) are rubbish but let's ignore them for this purpose.

  12. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    Mick, I think that your comments further endorse the many positiveaspects of “some” camera clubs, that have been put forward in this ‘thread’,and helps to provide a balanced view.
    I agree that the need to compete is a common human desire.

    For several years, I raced sailing dinghies at competitive level,and took the sport very seriously, so I‘ve done the competitive bit.

    My current interests of astro-imaging, photography, and boating,are now enjoyed without the need to compete.
    However, with the exception of photography, my other interestsare enjoyed in the company of other like-minded people.

    It would be wrong ‘tar’ all camera clubs ‘with the same brush’,and I have learned from this discussion, that there are some clubs out there,that don’t fit the camera club stereotype image.
    Of course there are amateur photographers out there, thatsee club competitions as their priority, and clearly most all camera clubsprovide for this need.

    It is however very evident that there are a significant numbersof amateur photographers that want something more from a club, than competitions,and are put off from joining simply by looking at the published programmes of alot of clubs. Three of those in my local area are prime examples.
    Mick, you say that without the feedback of “experts”, an improverwould not be able to learn where he or she needs to improve, and this is verytrue. However, it doesn’t necessarily mean that this feedback should only be availableto them, by having to enter a competition.

    The ethos of my astro-imaging group is one of constructive feedback,and members don’t have to enter a competition to get it. They just submit theirimage for viewing by the group, and to receive constructive criticism.
    Unlike sporting competitions where there is a defined finishingline that is crossed, the judging of photographs is very subjective, and aphoto marked down by one judge, might well be marked up by another., whichcould make the whole thing a bit of a farce.

    I believe that many camera clubs need to do more to breakout from the stereotype rut, and by doing so, attract a more diverse, andperhaps a younger membership.
    Comments like these are common place:

    These from this ‘thread’:

    “I nearly joined one when I first started, but as a spotty youth,I felt very unwelcome indeed.”
    “they seem a bit formulaic, a bit stuck in a rut and a bit notfor me”

    “My problem is that there is too much time spent on competitions”
    “I was for a little bit, until it got taken over by folks withwaaaaaay more money than talent (I'm talking people who dropped 10k on gear)who got snooty with the rest of us about not being up to par with our gear, andI left.”

    “I'm a little sceptical about the politics “
    “there's just too much emphasis on competitions”

    “A typical camera club web site will show a selection of memberswork. Invariably including images of bluebells in a wood, a steam train and aportrait of some wizened old bloke in Nepal taken by the club president on hislast expensive holiday”
    “Members will be expected to enter endless competitions/battlesamongst themselves and against other clubs. Most of the clubs activity will betaken up with this”

    “I still haven't made any friends there. A lot of the membersare quite old, already know each other and do not appear (to me) to be veryinterested in meeting others or even talking about photography”

    These from other forums:

    “I too have often thought of joining a club, .but have shiedaway for exactly the reasons citedabove”
    “Camera club seem to be incredibly 'nerdy' to me, so I avoid( could be wrong)”

    “I was a member of a photography club in ********* some yearsback and found the whole experience very off putting. I wanted to get to knowsome like-minded people and develop my technique but all the club wanted todowas to find decent photos to win in inter-club competitions as the current clubleadership were entirely focused on getting the club to 'number 1 in the area'.

    “I found some of the judging to be very disheartening, anythingof a steam train got you a 10, any landscape using the rule of thirds got you a10. Anything slightly outside of this was marked severely down which many ofthe new members, myself included, found very frustrating. Many of us had leftwithin a year as it was only putting us off, a few made friendships outside ofthe club and spent time going out and taking pics which is what we wanted theclub to do”

    The list could go on ad-infinitum, and yes, you could ofcourse construct one of the positive aspects of belonging to a camera club.
    However, whichever way you look at it many amateurphotographers see camera clubs comprising of old people, even older committeemembers, un-welcoming to newcomers, andobsessed with competitions.

    Some like me, derive this perception from looking at theclub website, while others have haddirect experience of it.
    As I said earlier, I have learned from this ‘thread’ that wellmanaged camera clubs do exist, but I do think that these are the exception,rather than the rule. The majority seeming to fit within the unattractive stereotype image.

    In my location, there are four clubs that I would consider asbeing ‘local’ to ‘semi-local’, of which three are (IMO) competition obsessed ,whilethe fourth (and furthest) is (IMO) a shining example of an ideal camera club.
    At 70 years of age, I’m certainly no youngster, but I liketothink that I have a much younger outlook than my years might portray. Greatlyhelped, by having teenage, and younger grandchildren around me. :D

    Unfortunately, I think that with the inability of manycamera clubs, to shake off their stereotype image, and attract younger and moredynamic members, ,the ‘status quo’ will continue unchanged. :(
    A great shame really, as photography is such a rewarding hobby(and I don’t mean winning prizes’), and there is almost certainly a great un-tappedpool of enthusiastic amateur photographers, who would love to share their enthusiasmand photography with other like-minder people, within a club or group, but arecurrently put-off by the ‘camera club’ image issue, which in some cases isclearly justified.

    Finally, well done to all those clubs that have obviously gotit right, that has to be admired.
    Any chance of you moving the Suffolk. ;)

  13. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member


    Sorry about all the missing spaces in the above 'post', but by the time I got through proof reading it, the opportunity to edit it, had disappeared.

  14. Staropramen

    Staropramen Well-Known Member

    Not any more thank you . . .

    The club nearest to me in the midlands is largely composed of people over the age of 65, and it seems unwilling to attract younger people or even to 'reach out' to the local community. Most of the programme is concentrated on distinguished visitors (many of whom are friends of the club's functionaries). Hence, the opportunity to see the work done by club members, or to discuss issues of interest to members, is minimal. Of the 3000+ images seen by the club per year, it is usual that less than 400 are from club members.

    It has long been an armchair photography and armchair travel club. The few active members concentrate on "B-F-B-F-B" - butterflies, flowers, bugs, fungi, and birds - to the point of this being utterly tedious for the majority of members who are nevertheless resigned to seeing copulating craneflies at every possible occasion.

    They have quarterly competitions, but these are always judged by external 'circuit judges' who have little credibility within the club, and never by a peer group process. I know of other clubs whose main focus is competitions which have fixed 'straight-jacket' themes like 'clouds' and 'tirangles' - something that typified photo clubs in the 1960s but which does little to enthuse young(er) people today. I loathe competitions: I want people to see and hopefully enjoy my photography - if I want it judged it will be by non-photographers saying "Wow, I really like that", not by a camera club judge saying "I'll give it 15 . . but it's not really my cup of tea".

    I truly hope that this is not representative of clubs across Britain, but based on my visits to a number of other clubs in the district, the age issue and the lack of active participation by members is a common issue.

    What makes this worse hereabouts is that there appear to be 'territorial rights'. It seems that any attempt to set up a new club, or even a special interest group within an existing club, is met with blank resistance, if not sneering animosity. My concern is that in some places, in some clubs there is a complacency that is strangling the club and, to some extent, the wider perceptions of amateur photography. Sadly this is not purely a camera/photo club issue: it applies equally to other pastimes that I have participated in. The issue of receiving a sniffy welcome - or none at all - when first visiting a club has been well-aired, but it has not gone away.

    That said, good photo/camera clubs should be cherished and nurtured: not all have 'issues', but those that do, need a shakeup in my view.
  15. MickLL

    MickLL Well-Known Member

    The problem with the sort of quote that you have used is that one can't judge the accuracy. I have the impression (impression note) that many of the comments come from folk who have never been in a club and are basing their opinions on threads such as this.

    Take just one of the comments (about the sort of pictures on web sites). I've chosen that one because it can be checked. I'm not going to pretend that I've checked dozens of sites - I've checked just three. No sign of a bluebell wood, no sign of a wizened Nepali (or any other wizened gent) there was a steam train though - but just one amongst a hundred or so images. Based on that tiny sample I can't give much credence to that comment.

    I've been a member of clubs for more than 50 years and I can honestly say that I have never, ever, been aware of a picture being praised or slated because it's a spider or a steam train or anything else. I have seen judges struggle, really struggle, with commenting on a subject that they don't understand (some abstracts for example) but I've seen those same judges struggle to be as fair as possible.

    Like you I don't feel the need to compete any more (I did once) but I still attend and enjoy the competition evenings. I like seeing all the pictures from all sorts of folk. I like hearing the judge's comments and comparing them with my own thoughts (even at my advanced age I still reckon to learn from doing that). You will gather that, in my previous post, I wasn't speaking about someone learning just from the comments about their own work but learning from all of the comments on all of the pictures.

    Moving on to the post from Staropamen (where did that name come from I wonder;)).

    I agree that the average age of club members tends to be high. That's probably because we older folk have the time to devote and, having paid off the mortgage and drowned the kids, maybe have a a little more money to spend on out hobby. It's a pity but a fact.

    My own club though has quite a healthy bunch of young folk. I think that digital has probably widened the appeal and attracted quite a lot of new blood - to the extent that we have had to close the membership and operate a waiting list. I must say though, that looking at our program wouldn't really give a feel of what the club actually does for beginners. Some of the older members run 'sub-groups' that teach (often on a one to one basis) how to operate the camera, the importance of shutter speed and aperture, portrait lighting (very popular that one), using PhotoShop. There are also outings outside the published program.

    I honestly believe that anyone joining us who can't find something of interest isn't trying. Yes the 'joiner' has a responsibility to try as well as the existing members.

    We too have 'distinguished visitors' coming to talk to us (Damien was one of them) and it's utterly beyond me why that should be leveled as a criticism. Surely you would want to be addressed/taught by someone who knows his/her stuff. Being distinguished doesn't guarantee that but it's a fine pointer. Secondly why is it relevant that the 'distinguished visitor' is a friend of a club member? I said that I've been a club member in various clubs for 50 years and in that time I've made some friends and, yes, some of them are distinguished. It doesn't devalue their knowledge or performance or entertainment value because I count them a friend (although it might call their judgement into question ;)). No Sir that's a rather silly accusation to make.

    I could go on for a very long time but, in the end, I guess I won't alter anyone's opinion so I'd better stop.

  16. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    A very well considered response Mick, and based upon 50 years of camera club membership, which has to be respected.

    I would agree, that some of the comments are based on assumption and perception, but I'm sure that the 'stereotype' image that camera clubs have, has its roots in based on fact somewhere, even if this lays in the distant past.

    From the some of the positive comments in this 'thread', it is very apparent that the 'stereotype' image, of old men in cardigans, set in a rut that hasn't changed in donkeys years, is not universal, albeit I'm sure they do exist.

    Then we have the comments from those speaking from personal exdperience who have tried being a member of a camera club, and not liked it because it either fitted the 'stereotype' image, or placed too much emphasis on competitions.

    Of course the saying "you can please most of the people most of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" rings very true. As such a particular club cannot hope to be everybodys 'cup of tea'.

    As I said earlier, I was quite naive when it came to camera clubs, as until recently I had never considered joining one.

    I had the pre-conceived idea that they would major on photography, in respect of workshops, tutorials, practical sessions, interesting talks by experienced photographers, and may be field trips, accompanied by an expert, say in landscape photography, if that was the purpose of the trip. Of course I expected there to be competitions, but balanced with the other activities.

    What I found in my local area, with the exception of one club, was anything but this. The emphasis, to the extreme (IMO), was on competitions, and little else.

    Looking at the programmes of clubs further away, the heavy bias towards competitions, was still very evident. Maybe the clubs that I picked, weren't represenative of camera clubs in general, but it left me with the percpetion, right or wrong, that they were.

    I would still like to become a member of a camera club, but at the moment it is painfully obvious that I'm not going to find a good one (IMO) locally. This means that if I want to join a club, I will have to accept that I will have to make the 50 mile round trip to the one that caters for a wide variety of amateur photographic interests, including competitions ;)

    Last edited: Jul 15, 2012
  17. 0lybacker

    0lybacker In the Stop Bath

    Some of it can be down to lack of knowledge and stereotyping from scant contact or information, perhaps sometimes (often?) barely third-party ...

    ... plus those who have wider knowledge. Which leads neatly to ...

    ... that is why there are such a variety of many things in life, not least camera clubs.:)

    Why should majoring on competitions not be majoring on photography?

    It looks like photographers in your area have made their choice, does it not?

    As you are a young '70', may I suggest that you join a local Flickr meet-up group?

    Younger (no cardigans!) {Actually, I have always liked cardigans and Cardigans!! ;)}, no competitions, able to offer flexible dates to amateur & pro speakers when they are free {rather than having to commit 12-18 months ahead}, also concentrating on actual photography, sorting out technical and aesthetic problems and the mastering thereof. Probably no annual subscription, can be very local to cut down on travelling and flexible on times and dates where no premises have to be obtained longer-term.

    Some of the reasons clubs are currently not attracting younger members are due to some big changes in lifestyle and culture as well as photography.

    However, these types of internet-based/founded groups are part of the rich variety of photographic life. I commend them to you.:)

  18. Digital Dave

    Digital Dave Well-Known Member

    Because it is just one small part of what the hobby of amateur photography has to offer as a whole.

    Or perhaps a case of this is how its always been, so take it or leave it, as competitions is pretty much all we do. At least this seems to be the case in South Suffolk.

    I have joined a East Anglian based Flickr group, of which there are a great many. However, the majority seem to be more about 'posting' pictures, with everyone saying "what a great picture", even if it is far from that. In short, mutual back patting, and no honest contructive feedback.

    A bit like the "thinking man's" facebook' :D

    Out of the countless Flickr groups in Eastt Anglia, I have only found one where the group meets up, and that's based miles away from me

    Exactly, but what are camera club's doing to address this issue, and make themselves more attractive to 21st century amateur photogaphers?. The fact is that when the long-standing 65 years old, and plus members pass on, where is the 'young-blood; to replace them.

    They could be outside, looking in, and seeing club with an elderly committee, that are stuck in a 'stereotype' rut, that hasn't changed in years.

    Out of the four clubs in my area, only one has broken out of the 'time warp' and is providing a diverse programme that appeals to the wider interest.

    Having spoken to one of the committee members, he tells me that they have attracted members from other clubs, that were less dynamic, and less forward thinking with regards to what their narrow programme of events offerred.

    Reading some of the inputs both here, and on other forums, it is quite apparent that there are other "21st centrury" clubs out there. Conversely, there are also a lot of the less dynamic clubs out there, that comprise mainly of 'old gits' like me, and the same old programme cycle that's been in-place for many a year.

    Maybe its just me, but I enjoy the company of other people, both young and old.

    The youngest member of our astro-imaging group, is 16 years, and she is well on her way to becoming an accomplished astro imager, thanks to the help provided by members of the group.

    Internet forums are a great way sharing an interest with like-minded people ,and to be able to debate ideas and points of view with a diverse range of friendly folk. Unfortunately, we are spread far and wide geographically.

    For photography, I use this and the EOS magazine forum.

    Thanks for your input Oly.

    Last edited: Jul 16, 2012
  19. George W Johnson

    George W Johnson Well-Known Member

    I've been very tempted, more than anything to be able to discuss my number one pasttime with like minded people.

    That being said I have run into two people "out in the field" while shooting and both had bad things to say about the internal politics of their respective clubs making it unpleasant, although one gent said his first club was awful he joined another and it was the polar opposite, a joy to be involved in.

    I'd think I'd personally enjoy something more informal, a couple of people to go out shooting with once in a blue-moon, just to pick up a few bad habits from each other, LOL!
  20. phaeo

    phaeo Well-Known Member

    I have just taken the plunge and am about to visit a local Camera club, with a view to joining....I have heard its a friendly club, and it meets on a Monday evening which suits me, So I don't see any harm in attending, if I feel its not for me then I don't go again, as the old saying goes, I have nothing to loose except a few hours of my time...

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