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Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/5/15

Discussion in 'Weekly Poll' started by Chrissie_Lay, May 5, 2015.

  1. Chrissie_Lay

    Chrissie_Lay AP Editor's PA

    Sorry guys I didn't post last week's poll question but if you get a chance to vote and make your comments please do so. I'll close this poll on Wednesday night or Thursday morning.

    Are you concerned with losing your digital images? Please vote http://apmag.co/pAqQ4g here

    Thanks

    Chrissie

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  2. AlexMonro

    AlexMonro Old Grand Part Deux

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    Yes, I am concerned.

    I do have a backup strategy, using an external hard disk, but no backup strategy is perfect, and I feel slightly guilty about not doing it as often as I should.

    Also, I should probably have another copy at a separate location (though I do have all the JPEG files I've printed archived at the online print service I use).
     
  3. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    As much as I back up images I still get concerned. That's the type of person I am. If it can happen, it will...

    However I'm no more concerned than I used to be (and still am) with my film negatives.
     
  4. art

    art Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    Three copies of everything on separate disks inside my PC, another two copies of everything on separate external USB disks, another copy of everything on a dual-disk mirrored RAID NAS unit and another copy on a USB disk kept away from home. Plus selected things online. All updated automatically everyday (except weekly-ish for the offsite copy).

    Not sure what else I could do.

    I'm mildly worried about the old negatives/prints I've not yet scanned, but I've recently finished scanning all my transparencies, so those images are now safe.
     
  5. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    So is that a yes or no...??

    ;):D;)
     
  6. deltablue

    deltablue Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    Yes I'm concerned, I have 3 external hard drives and copy all phots on each hard drive
     
  7. Atavar

    Atavar Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    I backup on a hd and buy a new memory card when the old one is full and pop it in the back of a drawer. After a few years file sizes make older cards impractical anyway and my cards from 2007 are still reading at the moment so it seems to be a half-way realistic way of doing it...?
     
  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    In the short term (my lifetime), yes, but not very much: a single back-up on one external drive is enough. In the long term: not really. Whatever survives will almost certainly be in print form (plus my film negs). Who is crazy enough to keep migrating media for someone dead?

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  9. art

    art Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    All those crazy people who keep old family photos?

    I agree they won't be keeping photos for you (what would be the point when you're dead?!), they'll be keeping them for themselves. Same with any prints or negatives.

    And if no one is interested in them, they'll all go into landfill whatever the medium.
     
  10. Atavar

    Atavar Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    With a physical album (or shoe box), all the pictures were fixed, finalised artifacts, last put in place by said dead ancestor.

    The photo is a physical link between you and them, an indexicality (so often argued over in photography but in this case true - for more on indexicality see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_claim_(photography)) where you are touching the print they touched and seeing it in the way they intended it to be stored and displayed.

    A computer file would only really have this indexical reference to the deceased if you were using their computer to view it on, with their personal desktop picture of a cat or a sunset or whatever, with their preferences as to double-click or single-click to open files, with their choice of window colour and font when things are opened, where they chose to store the file (my pictures? Desktop? Just in the hard drive?) etc etc etc... all that would add to the experience of choosing to look at their old photos - using the mouse they pushed in life, tapping the keys they tapped when living. But as we have discussed many times, migrating file formats makes retaining and maintaining old computers very, very unlikely.

    Without that physical link to the photo, will they keep them? We are not far enough into digital to find out. Ask again in 100 years ;)

    And finally, just for giggles:

    The vast majority of physical photos are nameless. Sometimes if we are lucky a date or the names of those in the picture are on the back in pencil. But today every digital picture is born with a name: DCF0001.JPG for instance. Put your cameras memory card in your computer and take a look at all the near identical names. Apart from "Sort by date" how can you tell a DCF0001.JPG from a CMS5042.JPG? All named, all meaningless but all the same pre-named... And if you name DCF0001.JPG to "Grans Baby Picture", it is no longer their picture, as you have changed it already just by naming it - it may have been taken on her 1st birthday, for instance, and the picture they so adored as her baby picture was printed from a memory stick and subsequently lost...

    Don't get me wrong, old digital photos are fascinating. I got some digitised files of the town I live in from the library, very good scans. But they were totally orphaned from the original person who had taken and processed them - even the library had such a job to find out who had taken one it was not worth their while to find out.
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2015
  11. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    Beautifully explained! Thanks!

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  12. ChrisNewman

    ChrisNewman Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    I am concerned about losing my digital images, but much less so than my analogue ones, so I didn’t know how to answer the poll, and left it.

    I went to respond on the forum to this poll some time ago, but there was no thread.

    As well as storing images on a backup hard drive, I aim to save them on two series of DVDs of different brands, one of which my son stores for me. I check these periodically (it was easier to transfer them when I still worked, and stored them in my desk there). But I admit that I have got behind with the process of trying to identify plants, etc, I shot 2 years ago in SW USA.

    Around 1970 both my wife and I were, independently, shooting slides on identical Kodak Instamatic 126 cameras, she using Boots brand film, and me Kodak. When we showed our slides 20 years later, hers had already faded badly, although mine were OK. Fire is the other key danger to single copies of images. Of course the answer would be to digitise them, but I don't get round to it.

    Digital copies should remain in perfect condition, and I think the concerns about changing formats are overdone. At work I found it easy to copy data from obsolescent BBC computer files through a couple of stages onto current PC files. And I'm sure specialist services will always be available at a price, just as some 8mm film of our wedding has been digitised.

    I think the key issue is the exponential growth in numbers of images. In my grandparents’ day, there was probably about one photo taken per person per year, and they are still treasured. If I converted my terabyte or so of images into a monster stack of prints, no-one else would ever bother to look through them all (unless I become famous during my remaining years!) But I accept that it is easier and more tempting to browse through a stack of prints than to mount a digital medium to view photos.

    Chris
     
  13. Hamski

    Hamski Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    no
    Two words and 200 quid
    NAS SERVER
    and youll never worry again
     
  14. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    NO!

    I was working at a very large company, when someone managed to trash the entire tape store: billions of dollars worth of data. It wasn't even deliberate.

    Luckily, they had a particularly paranoid IT Director, who had instituted a full secondary data store at a different site. It still took two months to bring the tape store back fully, during which time the costs were considerable.

    There is only one way to have peace of mind: multiple backups at different sites.

    Here endeth the sermon.

    :D
     
  15. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    Of course like most people I have back ups of my digital stuff and loads of prints and negatives of my old stuff.
    I am not in the least bothered what happens to them later. Apart from a few family snaps most of them will be simply discarded like the vast majority of every photographers output.

    That is the perfectly reasonable prospect for a vast majority of photographs ever taken. It is vanity to think otherwise.
     
  16. saxacat

    saxacat Well-Known Member

    Re: Poll - Are you concerned with losing your digital images? 2/

    I have mirrored RAID set up on my PC using 2 HDD and also Windows is set up to perform a backup to an external drive at regular intervals through the day. Did think about cloud storage, but even with BT Infinity, my upload speed is too slow.
     

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