Discussion in 'News - Discussion' started by CSBC, Jan 23, 2008.
I forgot, I don't drive anymore (medical) - still the thought was there
Bloody hell, someone's agreed with me. Thank you.
Certainly won't do you for speeding, not my area of policing. And what's more I was not an illegitimate child, so the traffic dept was not for me
The RMP had the same entry criteria...
Yep, at the interview when they asked you "do you know who your parents were" if you said "no" they promoted you to sergeant straight away!
Big(The redcaps...................don't ya just love em! )Will
Minimum qualification was not knowing your father for two stripes.
.............and if they asked you who your father was and you said "the household cavalry" they made you a lance corporal!
I might be wrong but I think the vast majority of us forumites have a great deal of sympathy with the ordinary bobbies- well I do anyway. What gets my goat is a) the amount of Carp that they have to put up with interms of "admin" which actually prevents them doing the job and b) as mentioned in Dream Police's the fact that their hands are tied because of ..HUMAN RIGHTS...
I'm not going into diatribe re Human Rights..it's all been done before and I think probably to death.
What I would like to see though and I'll probably be castigated (not quite the same as fenestrated) is for some old time coppers being allowed to show these young lads and lasses proper policing.
Now go ahead and make my day...castigate me
Lance Corporal?? 2nd Lieutenant surely!!
..yes but everybody knows...
LOL, something fishy about that statement
I've had dealings with a couple of coppers over the last few years in relation to events I was on the periphery of, and I was impressed that they were still able to apply some common sense in some difficult situations. I just wish all coppers could manage that all the time, but I agree that this government seems to be trying to force everyone to conform to their narrow minded rules down to the minutest detail.
Still, it's a nice soft sunny day here in Somerset, so I'm going out to take some photos of trees before my blood pressure rises too much
Having spoken to several very senior offices over the last few years, I've got the impression that their opinion is that more of the damage comes from the very different nature of today's entrants into the service than even from government targets - the story goes that there's simply not the same ethos of public service or even acceptance of the rank hierarchy that there used to be even 10 years ago with new entrants. I have no idea if that's true or not, but it seems to be a fairly common belief at ACPO levels, even if it's rarely stated in public - after all, they're political animals, and it's not really a helpful message to them or indeed any political party.
You are absolutely right. There is no respect for rank, we are no longer a disciplined service.
Young officers call me "mate" despite the fact that I am of a higher rank than them. I do not mean officers I work with who are perhaps mates, but ones who do not know me.
They will not take criticism, will not accept bollockings, and question everything.
I had some right bollockings as a young lad from my supervisors at the time. Accept it, learn from it and move on. Now they will complain, or threaten with a grievnce procedure, go off sick with stress, until the job caves in and gives them what they want.
The sad thing, it makes people like me just give up, as you begin to question "the point". It is therefore self perpetuating, and then you get officers who get promoted whilst the ink is still wet on their warrant cards. Get jobs on depts such as CID, traffic, firearms units, with just over 2 years service. They have had no experience. They cannot deal with some of the incidents that those depts and countless others deal with.
It used to be that you weren't even considered for a specialist role until you had 4/5 years service. Now in pursuit of fairness once you are out of your probation you have as much right as the next man or woman.
Drives me mad, but I am classed as a dinosaur, unfortunately we will soon be all extinct, and God knows were the "service" will be.
Sorry I'm ranting again!
I was going to enter the self portrait comp this month, but I better not in case I become extinct from my job too soon.
Big Brother may be watching.
Do you think bringing back National Service would help?
It was something we were discussing in the pub the other night.
would waitress service be better discussed in the pub
We have that
Kylie (no not that one) the barmaid always brings over refills for our empty pints
Absolutely! Before we run out of cannon fodder in Iraq & Afghanistan
Re: National Service
I suppose its easy for me to say, having never done the armed forces bit, but yes I think it would be a good idea. Certainly a lot of my mates/colleagues who have been in the services believe it would be a good idea.
But we are too soft nowadays. Apparantly the army training is softer, wearing trainers to run in etc, little humiliation, piss taking etc ( or certainly not like it used to be) I am a believer that along as that doesn't go way over the top, it certainly helps build you into a stronger man. If you can't cope with the things your army trainer throws at you ( and there have been plenty of reported incidents in the press in the past few years) how the hell will you be able to cope with a war.
But like I said, i have not been there so I could be talking a load of rubbish.
Definitely. I've heard others comment about it just breeding tougher criminals; but in my opinion it would teach responsibility and the ability to live and work with other people of mixed backgrounds (IE. no 'gang' culture).
Not in my experience (albeit that was 1970s). My army training helped to break down barriers, not create them.
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