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Outsider Artists

Discussion in 'Talking Pictures' started by AlanW, Jan 8, 2018.

  1. AlanW

    AlanW Well-Known Member

    Not necessarily about photography, though Vivian Maier seems to have been the catalyst for the article, there's an interesting piece in the December issue of Apollo Magazine:

    The double lives of outsider artists
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  2. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    Interesting read. Thank you.

  3. Geren

    Geren Well-Known Member

    I have a book here called Art and Psychosis which includes works from the Prinzhorn Collection. No photography but a wealth of other work including embroidery and carvings as well as drawings produced by people in psychiatric institutions. I was looking at what motivates people to make work. My own conclusions (and I can only apply them to me) were that boredom and a lack of distraction coupled with confinement resulted in an almost manic need to make/do when I was a child. It's probalby why I still doodle when I'm trying to concentrate - something has to come out somehow. I don't think that's so very far removed from what happens in 'outsider art'. The act of making, whatever it is you're making, is a response to a need on some level. A need to do. A need to create. A need to express something you can't otherwise express.

    Worryingly I can all too readily identify with the idea of that social disconnect. (I am leaving the house today - come hell or high water!)
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  4. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    It is a mistake to believe that people with artistic ability are inclined towards extroversion and self-promotion. We face that all the time in advertising, where there are very genuine and capable creative people who almost hide their lights, with some complete charlatans who seek the limelight (well I think more charlatans in the Mad Men days, because clients are rather process and results minded these days and less inclined to fall for chutzpah. Google Chutzpah & Chutzpah for my friend Simon's book on that.
    For every Dali, for whom their work is an extension and advertisement for their persona, I would guess there is a Kandinsky for whom the work is almost the antithesis of their persona. There must be many Kandinskys who have never been discovered, but rather less Dalis, I suspect.
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  5. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    That's a universal truth everywhere and everywhen. British industry and commerce (not to mention our public services) are full of excellent people who just get on and do good work while there are a bunch of self aggrandising swine who take the credit and are massively overpaid for it.
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  6. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    I wouldn't disagree. But it is called Leadership, I believe :(

    I could entertain you for hours with stories....
  7. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    Me too. There are some nasty specimens about to be sure.
  8. RovingMike

    RovingMike Crucifixion's a doddle...

    I wrote a guide to how to be a top person in Linkedin's Executive Club once, but I believe the folk there thought I was sending them up......well just a bit ;)

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