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New Zealand held its general election yesterday.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by John Farrell, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    I'm happy with the change away from National. The new government will be judged on results. The Greens have done a deal with Labour - confidence and supply, and ministers outside cabinet. National have promised to be a stern opposition - but they have problems. A couple of scandals, rumbling away in the background, and their characterisation as "stale, pale and male".
     
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  2. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

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  3. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    With the negotiations out of the way, stories are emerging about them. It appears the National Party made the mistake of believing their own propaganda. For decades, they've characterised Winston Peters as egotistical, only interested in the "baubles of office". At the negotiations, they offered 5 cabinet posts to his party, but made no important policy concessions. Labour, on the other hand, offered fewer cabinet posts, but was prepared to talk about policies.....Winnie's position, as an interventionist with social democrat leanings, being closer to theirs. Labour won.

    National and their supporters are taking it hard.....their tame journalists and bloggers are whining and whinging.
     
  4. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    I'm sure they're right if only because that's the job description for every politician everywhere. :(
     
  5. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    The cabinet positions have been announced, and the coalition agreements released. The new government will be more left inclined, and interventionist, than the previous one.

    Jacinda Ardern will be prime minister, and Winston Peters deputy prime minister, and foreign minister. He was a successful foreign minister in the last Labour led government (2005-2008).
     
  6. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    Just to add insult to injury for the National party - their campaign song for the 2014 election sounded rather like an Eminem song. Eminem thought so too, and sued. National's just been hit with a $NZ600,000 judgement, against them.
     
  7. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    One shouldn't laugh ;)
     
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  8. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    But one does....
     
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  9. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    Today is the opening of parliament. Tomorrow, the speech from the throne (delivered by the Governor General), and the address in reply debate.

    Last parliamentary term, the National party made a change to the number of MPs who would serve on select committees. Labour is now proposing to put this change into practise, and National is howling "unfair!" It will reduce their influence, as the largest party in parliament, over select committees. Hard luck!
     
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  10. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    The new government is passing its first bills. Yesterday, a tax cut, due on 1st April next year, was scrapped, and replaced with an increase in child support payments, and a winter energy payment for beneficiaries and pensioners.
     
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  11. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Now some time after the event did Eminem show magnimanity after making their point, and not take the cash?
    Also after the tax cut, how are they paying for the incrased benefits?
     
  12. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    You seem to have 'landed' a decent government, John. Would you consider lending some of its members to the UK - just until we can get a decent one of our own organised? :)
     
  13. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    I think that you need to re-read John's post (#50)... :)
     
  14. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    The National Party is appealing the Eminem judgement. Another bill, introduced yesterday, to be passed in the new year, will be more controversial - it will prevent those who aren't New Zealand citizens from buying residential property.
     
  15. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    Jacinda Ardern ( the Prime Minister) has announced she'll be having a baby in June - her partner will be taking on childminding duties. The local misogynist internet posters are having kittens!
     
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  16. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    If there's one thing rubbish like that hate more than a strong competent woman it's a man who's prepared to bring up his children so his partner can get on with her job.
     
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  17. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    The leader of the National Party, Bill English, announced today that he's stepping down as leader of the opposition, and resigning from parliament. Because he's a list MP, there won't be a by-election - they just appoint the next person on the list. The bloodletting in pursuit of his position is expected to start today.
     
  18. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    John, my lack of familiarity with the NZ system is causing me some confusion here. :confused: Presumably, the list comprises people from the same party as the incumbent, and everyone just shuffles up one place when the person at the top quits? On the presumption that I've got that part right, what happens if the incumbent switches to another party? Does the seat switch with them, or does the next person in the list move up to assume the role of MP for the party that already holds the seat?
     
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  19. John Farrell

    John Farrell Well-Known Member

    Peter - each party goes into an election with a list of candidates, and if a list MP resigns, they are replaced by the next person on their list. If an electorate seat becomes vacant, there is a by election.

    If an MP changes party, there is no list vacancy created. Currently before the house is a bill (colloquially the "Waka Jumping Bill") which will require MPs dissatisfied with their party to resign, rather than changing party. This was requested by one of the coalition partners, New Zealand First, because of their experience in 1998, when they were in coalition with National. National persuaded 3 of their MPs to become independents, supporting National, and collapsed the coalition.

    Waka is Maori for canoe.
     
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  20. peterba

    peterba Well-Known Member

    Thanks, John - I've got it now. BTW, the term "waka-jumping" amused me (but then, I'm easily amused...). :)
     
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