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Looking for good solicitor

Discussion in 'Help Team' started by citipunk, Jun 3, 2015.

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  1. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    During the day I shoot like 1000-2000 frames.
    Stats- members of public calling Police- av 0%
    Pictures with POs including selfies ab 15-30 a day.
    Pictures of people assulting me by pointing middle finger at me ... countles. That is what community give back to documentalists back... Don't mention 2000 Pounds of damaged equipment this year aloneie when trying to avoid phisical assoult by a member of public or rushing to get that frame.


    And when you look closer at the crowd you will find out how many people do this sort of photography. I never sneek with the camera hidden- to show that my intentions are good. There's that many styles as photographers in the world and this make positive diversity. There's no bad or good methods as far as at the end of the day you get that picture you doing it for.
     
  2. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member

    Some people are just not cut out for a certain job. OP maybe you need a much longer lens and some camouflage.
     
  3. Trannifan

    Trannifan Well-Known Member

    Or switch to a phone camera of some description. This will automatically make you more or less invisible to most people.
     
  4. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    Dear Mr Kasiak,
    I have been appointed to investigate a complaint made by yourself to Kent Police regarding the conduct of Officers on 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] May 2015 whilst you were in Margate.
    I understand from the documentation you have completed that you were present in the capacity of a Photojournalist and believe that Officers have completed an unlawful search of yourself and deleted an image from a camera in your possession.
    I will of course be making enquiries of the Officers and any other members of the public involved, but in the meantime it would assist me greatly if you could provide details of your professional affiliations, your journalistic assignment that day, who it was for and what the nature of the deleted photograph you detail was. Could you also confirm please whether you was wearing any identification or had spoken to any officials or members of the public about your work that day.
    This will clearly assist me in understanding how identifiable you were in your role and any reaction or concerns expressed from members of the public to your activity.
    I look forward to hearing from you,
    Best wishes,




    New Person to deal with :) They are looging for gateway :) This person looks more friendly to deal with- My English no good- do I get it right- did he asked for my portfolio? :) They still treat me like an idiot :p so frealance photographers are not photographers or am I na idiot? Enquiry about member of public involved- is it the one about wasting police time- I don't think so? Jurnalistic assigment that day- Family enjoying weather during may bank holiday for the weather section in any newspaper that will pay to future it?

    I think they are not happy about my price tag on this picture (in the morning I told them that on 1st July I icriesed prices on my pictures by 5k to 35k, and prices will inciese from August again- they replied in 7 houres instead of me waiting since 12.06 when I last time spoke to them without talking about money). It not my fault that decide to delete expensive one- if they deletedy any of my seascape I would let them go and shoot another similar one. They even calling now looking at my pictures "search"- if society will be safer I don't mind being serched even if they will ask me to take my pants off- I will forgive them this bit. But my picture are like my babies- I even not delete those blurry ones.


    shall I "assist me in understanding how identifiable you were in your role" just explain that due to the low tide I decided to go shooting instead of fishing? For sea anglers magazine :p
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2015
  5. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Yeah, like any court in Britain would support you in that claim. :rolleyes:

    I suggest you look up the terms "vexatious litigant" and "wasting police time".

    I can't make up my mind if this is the biggest troll I've seen or just the ravings of someone who should discuss more appropriate medication with his GP.
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2015
  6. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    ^ I feel the poster does seem to lack a sense of reality!
     
  7. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member

    OP the thread started with looking for a good solicitor. and that is what you should have done. then left it in there hands.
     
  8. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    He probably did speak to one but did not like what he heard
     
  9. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    Troll that want to made something for community? To let people like you while in Margate focus on shooting not on chatting with PO's. Wasting Police time is calling for the police because someone is taking pictures- Try it in London and nowadays you will be in (I guessing) 60-90% of times properly informed by met police. I do selfies with metropolitan PO's and if they are not busy get opportunity to have a chat.

    I'm in contact with the one recommended by you. I'm not sure if he passed it to other person or no longer works there.- this forum is public- some of police officers are photographers to.

    did I missed one "0" in case I would be able to sell same picture 10 times? O do exclousivly picture of you and for you from free to infinity- all about details agreed before- the free one is find me when I taking picture, and after I took picture of you ask me to e-mail it to you. The expensive one is the difficoult to reshoot on exclousicve licence when I have no right to use this picture for any purposes including my portfolio.
    this forum is public- some of police officers are photographers- some of them work for Margate police.... and who knows if they reading AP or AP forum.


    But- What I have in common with all those Poles in UK is I'm to polite- Lets be more rude to Kent Kowboys :) I did consider how to answer e-mail pasted over all day long. Will be more rude.
     
  10. PeteRob

    PeteRob Well-Known Member

    This thread started with a point of principle, an image that the OP would have gladly deleted if asked was then deleted by a police officer without permission being granted.

    This has shifted to the loss by deletion of an image having a potential value of £30k (gross sales) as typical of the professional output of a photojournalist who specialises in close engagement candid style of photography with the public the target subject.

    I have mixed feelings about this.

    The point of principle is important, we do have a freedom in this country to take photographs in a public place and it is wrong to delete images without permission.

    It has also to be realised that this is a freedom that potentially can be lost if public opinion turns to the point where everyone with a "real" camera is seen as a threat to the person.

    I can't help but feel that activities described in this post are pushing in this direction. It would be an awful loss to the amateur photographer if professional interests would take us on that route.
     
  11. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Agreed.

    However, this is becoming a rantfest. Perhaps a moderator should consider locking the thread?
     
  12. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    Before this thread is locked I would point out to the OP that by upping his claim to £35K or thereabout he is doing himself no favours. This is because the claim now exceeds the small claims court limit (£10,000?) and would have to be pursued in a higher court where the the costs are much bigger, including the costs that might be awarded against one if unsuccessful.
     
  13. PhotoEcosse

    PhotoEcosse Well-Known Member

    Just caught up with this thread. (Normally the word "solicitor" puts me off reading.)

    I suspect that it is a case of someone seriously over-egging his case.

    By placing a fanciful monetary value on the deleted image, the OP will have made himself a laughing-stock in the eyes of whoever investigates the complaint.

    More importantly, perhaps, he has fallen into the trap of suggesting that his case mysteriously acquires more merit by suggesting that he is a "photojournalist" or professional "freelance".

    The fact of the matter is that photojournalists or other professional photographers have absolutely no greater "rights" in such a case than apply to a member of the public taking photographs in a public place.

    Yes - if the description of events is correct, then the police seriously fouled-up on at least three scores. But an official complaint simply relating the sequence of events would have had much more chance of a resolution satisfactory to the complainer than this over-egged version does.
     
  14. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member

    OP unless your image was of a famous dead person having been caught alive and well I doubt 5-35k is realistic. I support you in the fact that you were stopped and searched for no real reason. and angered even further by having an image deleted. my personal approach to a solution would be a face to face appolige from the deleting officer along with him agreeing what he did was wrong. If a value was to be put on the image surely the cost of a model for 2 hrs would be more than enough. say £100 would more than cover another shoot with a person that wants to have photos taken of them would put you in a better position. just my personal 2 pennies worth.

    peterob nailed it.
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2015
  15. brumtog

    brumtog Member

    Having watched the development of this thread from the start, I have to say the above puts it clearly in its proper perspective.
     
  16. daveben

    daveben Well-Known Member

    Hi, I use this forum (infrequently these days) as a source of inspiration for my own meagre photographic attempts. I would love to know what type of image sells for £30K+, if only to reaffirm how far I am from ever being able to make a living from photography. Care to share any you've previoulsy sold for this amount (low res to ensure no-one nicks them off the web-site)?

    Thanks.
     
  17. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    How often do you children have to be told not to poke the trolls through the bars?

    One day, they'll grab your arm and eat it. Then you'll be sorry!

    :D
     
  18. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    I will be happy with that with my expenses covered- travel by train, and leting me to recreate this picture with the same people on- He works for Police so they can do it for me. And the promise that all PO will be educated about legislation and will imply this knowlage in day to day duty with no excempions- Fair deal?

    You don't get the point- photograph is not a car. You can sell only one car. Selling photos is licencing them- you may licence it 10 000 for 3,5 pounds or 3 times for 5 years for 12 000. 35k is a bargain compare to:

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    If you look at both think you can recreate them- the point is to do the one that never been done before (ie as person on the picture is so determinated that will call the police to made this picture be deleted) and sell it.
     
  19. nimbus

    nimbus Well-Known Member

    You really need to take a reality check here. How could you recreate any off the cuff scenario and where do you get the figures that you value your pictures at from? How many photos have you licenced for £12,000?
     
  20. daveben

    daveben Well-Known Member

    You are right - I think I must be missing the point. If I had an image deleted (in camera) which was worth double my annual wage (which is what you are claiming for the deleted image) first thing I would have done when I got home was put the memory card in my PC knowing full well that any third party file recovery program would have retrieved it perfectly intact. And if my images were worth that much money, I certainly would not be without such a recovery tool!

    Given that the police are not a business and therefore have no money of their own, any compensation you may receive will be paid for by taxpayers. Therefore, you shouldn't be surprised if you are asked to prove the value of the images you are seeking compensation for. Unless you have a well established history of being paid these sorts of amounts for your images (whether one off fees or multiple small fees) I doubt whether the "well someone might have paid me £x thousand pounds for it" argument is going to get you very far. And if you do have that proven track record already, why not show us anything you've done?
     
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