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Looking for good solicitor

Discussion in 'Help Team' started by citipunk, Jun 3, 2015.

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  1. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    I'm looking for solicitor specialising in jurnalism or/and photography.
    I would like to speak in person so preferably in HA, NW, UB or WD postcodes. If you know any pls sent me private message with contact details.


    What happened:

    Member of public claiming to be offduty police officer called the police station in Margate to complain at me. He was rude and unhappy that I took street picture of him and her doughter. Instead to just ask to delete it he called Police. I'm a very friendly person but if someone prefer to call police I'm not arguing. I advised him about telephone number to use (101 at 50p a call).
    Police arrived. I had 2 cameras on me (aprox 7000 of equipment) so I didn't give them a chance to attempt to restrain by forcing on the ground. When asked I handed a camers advising that my pictures are my intelectual property and I don't want them to deleted, as police is not allowed to do it without court order. The PC who took my camera showed it to the bloke who compained and they deleted the photograph. I asked for stop and search slip (serching content of my camera)- was refused it as they don't have to issiue me one. Then they asked me for my details- I refused as not arested or driving so I don't have to.... so they force took my wallet off my hand and discover my driving licence. They gave me back my wallet and cameras, telling you're free to go or something similar.


    I made complain online to Kent Police. waiting 2 weeks for feedback- nothing. I called the complain number and asked what's on. They didn't recive any complain from me, and that they had IT issiues that time. I was advices to do it again. I did it again online and called them again if they recieved- they confirmed they did.


    Fedback after second complain: I've installed app for my phone that records all phonecalls so can recall it quite acurate ;). I spoke yesterday to person from Margate police station who deal with that complain.

    - Some parents don't like strangers taking photographs of their children, that's the reason police were there. (...) taking pictures of young children by strangers isn't right. (...) noone suspect me of being pedophile however parent of that child didn't want you to having a photograph of them on your camera and that was the reason that it was deleted, and my officers have my full support.(...) "search record" should't be submited. They struggling to find basis of my complain other then (...) police officers deleting the picture. If That happen again in exect same scenario they would expect them (police officers) to do exectly the same again.(...) In your defence they should explain to you what they are doing and why. (...)
    Police haven't acted illegaly, they turned there because a member of public is concerned. (...) nothing 've been damaged (about deleted picture). (...) They have admited stoping you, they have admited deleting your photograph, with nothing further to investigate.




    If you would like to comment- fell free, if had similar situation and want to share you're more then welcome. Why I want to take legal actions- for our photographers community and to educate Kent police about photographers rights.
    If you know any solicitor as described on top PM me with contact details pls. I know good solicitor but not sure if he's confident in intelectual property and in suing police ;) I will speak to him anyway
     
  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    You were assaulted (taking your wallet by force) and they behaved completely illegally in deleting the picture. If police who do that have their superiors' full support then something is very wrong. I don't think you need a specialist on media law, just someone who supports your case. Or someone who is a little higher up the totem pole than a desk sergeant who is misguidedly supporting his lads. You appear to have an admission of guilt, recorded on the 'phone.

    Write a letter setting out the facts of the case. Send it to the chief constable of the Kent Police (Alan Pughsley) by registered post. For addresses see http://www.kent.police.uk/contact_us/write_to_us/non_urg_writ.html

    Keep copies, and if you do not receive a satisfactory reply within 20 days (their choice, not mine -- again, see the web-site) then copy it to the local and national press (especially the Guardian and Private Eye, but not the Mail): no need to register those.

    Have you the badge numbers of the police who assaulted you and the names or numbers of their superiors?

    Good luck,

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  3. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member

    You also have a witness. the guy who called the police.
     
  4. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Kent Constabulary are not renowned for their adherence to the rules and regulations: http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/complaints-against-police-up-25-31157/

    In the light of your experience, when complaining to Kent Police, I'd suggest you ramp it up by contacting the Police Complaints Commission and starting a case regarding both the officers' behaviour and the response to your original complaint: https://www.ipcc.gov.uk/complaints

    I'm a strong believer that individual officers should never be allowed to get away with any form of bad behaviour. It reflects badly on the majority who are honest, conscientious and do a filthy job in impossible conditions.
     
  5. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Excellent idea.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  6. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    Just recived letter from Kent Police Professional Standards Department. I will post it Here in the afternoon. Now I have referencje number.
    I think they are aware more then Margate police about potential troubles
     
  7. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Looking forward to hearing more!

    Cheers.

    R.
     
  8. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    [​IMG]
    Not placed, but I seat myself ;)
     
  9. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member

    My feelings are they Will change the story. you said to delete. you gave them id. etc. if they do own up you have a case. but without proof it could all become very expensive. and if they own up they Will have to pay up for deleting your image and treatment. that's why I think the story Will change to suit them.

    and I was going to give you 10k for that lovely image. shame you don't have it. ho well back to the high security promenade with your 9mm camera to take more head shots.

    solicitor. Andrew katzen. Akatzen@hickmanandrose.co.uk you won't find much better.
    I Would see where it goes and how they fix the issue with you before off loading a large amount of money in legal advice.
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2015
  10. citipunk

    citipunk Active Member

    As you can see this complain is quite complex. As I mentioned i did record the phonecall from PC's their supervisor. He confessed that picture was deleted 3 time during this phonecall. Valuation of picture is simple- plus I will add to my valuation your 10k you offered me right now. So if they say I gave them my camera, wallet and mobile I don't see the point to argue with that. Same about checking my details or arguing if I was serched or not.
    Back in November in Margate another member of public complained about me taking pictures of her. One of the police officers was present at both times. I spent like 45 minutes in the police car expleining to officers what people can and can't i reletion to photographing. at the stage I was threaten with arrest. That time I took my phone and did call solicitor that I had his busines card in my pocket. I told him that my English is poor and can he ask police officer for what he want to aresst me. Soli asked what I did- I said that i was taking picture in public place. And? I said thers no and- that's the end of the story. I passed telephone to officer. He just told what the problem is... and listened for what soli have to say. When he finished, he gave me back my phone and left the car without a word.
    Using good and bad cop method his collegue enter the car and I knew I'm about to leave the car as the good copper approched. They have been warned what actions will be taken if it happen again. Half year later we meet again in May :)


    The pathology is that most of people would give up and do whatever police say.
     
  11. MartyG

    MartyG Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be expecting much if they can't even check the letters they're sending out - "on the 4th of May 205"??

    Doesn't give me much faith in the accuracy of held Police records.
     
  12. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    If this has happened twice, then I begin to wonder what the evidence of the two separate complainants will be. After that additional posting, I can't help but feel we're not getting the full story.
     
  13. Vivid Blue

    Vivid Blue Well-Known Member

    I do always think it's asking for trouble when pointing a camera at passers by and especially children, especially if it's unexpected. I sometimes have to do it as part of my job photographing events for a public body, but am obliged to ask people to sign model release forms. If they want their image deleting that has to be respected, even if sometimes their reasons are irrational.

    I also used to work at a solicitors and I wouldn't go down that path, they aren't charities and you'll end up with huge bills. You could try the CAB for free advice or just see how you get on with the Police's complaint procedure.
     
  14. Sejanus.Aelianus

    Sejanus.Aelianus In the Stop Bath

    Agreed.

    Just because there is a presumption that, in public your face is public, it is irrational to believe such a view gives you the right to annoy others. I enjoy taking pictures of my fellow humans but I do it discretely and I don't set out to show things that put others in a poor light.

    It is up to each of us to set our own limits and mine stop at showing the positive side of life...

    [​IMG]
     
  15. RogerMac

    RogerMac Well-Known Member

    It might have been a good idea if you had located the solicitor before you "trailed your coat" for the second time
     
  16. mark 1

    mark 1 Well-Known Member


    Christ don't tell me I need a solicitor in my camera bag now. its to bloody heavy as it is.

    everyone has their own code of conduct. I don't shoot anyone with kids. wearing swim wear or looking like they will hit me.:) if I was to shoot parents with kids and they saw me I would offer to delete or even send them a copy. I have see some great shots of parents feeding the ducks while out walking the dog. but I wouldn't like it if it was me so I don't do it. if it was Elvis of Michael Jackson I would throw my ethics out the window.
     
  17. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    First sentence: obliged by whom?

    Second sentence: This is simply untrue from a legal standpoint.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  18. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    One of the reasons I don't live in the UK.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  19. Vivid Blue

    Vivid Blue Well-Known Member

    Obliged by my employer, it might not be a legal standpoint but we have to respect their wishes.
     
  20. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Fair enough, but it's only your employer who said their wishes had to be respected. For someone taking pictures on their own behalf, neither objection holds much (or indeed any) water.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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