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Liverpool - What to see & do

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by dangie, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

  2. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Tony,

    "Political correctness" is a bit of a clue. Why WOULDN'T he come clean otherwise? Or are you pretending that Gypsies and the Northern Irish are the principal slaveholders in the UK, despite far more frequent reports of mostly Saudi families holding slaves? If he's not being racist he has no reason to plead that he can't discuss the matter because of "political correctness".

    Then again he could always tell us what he's thinking. Or indeed if he's thinking.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  3. EightBitTony

    EightBitTony Well-Known Member

    Sometimes I think you're weird.

    Frankly, the first group of people that popped into my mind on the mention of UK modern slavery were travellers, because the more recent news stories have related to them. /shrug We're all different.
     
  4. steveandthedogs

    steveandthedogs Well-Known Member

    I was only thinking that to own a person is illegal.

    To make a fortune whilst paying a pittance to people working in often poor conditions, followed by stealing pension funds, however, appears to be Tory policy.

    S
     
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  5. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    I can't help feeling the Conservative Party plan to make sure it is legal by the time we leave the EU. :(
     
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  6. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Dear Tony,

    That's all right. Most of the time I think you're weird. But neither of us is as weird as someone who uses "political correctness" as an excuse for not saying something.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  7. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    Once again I feel it very sad that my innocuous post 'What to see and do in Liverpool', has become a catalyst for yet more personal back biting.
     
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  8. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Once again it's very sad that someone falls back on "political correctness".

    Look at it this way. A not-very-funny joke about Liverpool being a good place from which to go to the New World immediately attracted a completely wrong observation about slavery; a couple of corrections to that misapprehension; and then some drivel about "political correctness."

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  9. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    It's the way of the internet. ;)
     
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  10. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    It's certainly the way of this forum...... :(

    Thankfully I received some good suggestions first.
     
  11. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Like these http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-41241049 . These people are from one of the populations that I had in mind. We don't know their origins and that is not important; they mostly have addresses in England. They are travellers but not all travellers are criminals. I would say that they are pikeys, that is that subset of travellers who are criminals.

    Although slavery is legal in some interpretations of Sharia this is not a big problem in Britain. Also Muslims, in the Koran, are instructed to treat their slaves well and this is now often interpreted as a requirement to grant freedom. I'm not a fan of Islam but I do give credit where it is due.

    The other group of people I had in mind were some East Europeans involved with the trafficking of girls for prostitution or men for field labour.
     
  12. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member


    Such as to the muslims who abused 1200 victims including slavery in Rotherham?
     
  13. dangie

    dangie Senior Knobhead

    Getting back to the original thread:

    Had an excellent few days in Liverpool. The city centre's had some money spent on it. Don't know what it was like before but certainly looks good now. Went up the Radio City Tower (St John's Beacon). Excellent value for £4.50. Museums very good as well. Bought a Merseyrail day pass for £5.20 which gave unlimited travel on trains, buses and ferry. Went across to New Brighton then down to Port Sunlight. Followed this with a train ride up to Southport.
    Not into shopping but the wife says the shopping centre's knock spots off anywhere else she's been to in the UK.
    They even had a Wilkinson Camera store which I popped in just for a look round and ended up buying a camera shoulder bag.
    All in all an excellent place for a visit.

    Ok you may now carry on.......
     
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  14. dream_police

    dream_police Well-Known Member

    Funnily enough the only time I went into Wilkisons there, was to buy a camera bag.
     
  15. Roger Hicks

    Roger Hicks Well-Known Member

    Then why not come straight out and say what you mean, instead of trying to hide behind a totally imagined "political correctness"? Did you REALLY believe that someone would censor your posts because of "political correctness"?

    The fact that it hasn't happened yet suggests that your concept of "political correctness" is in your head rather than here on the forum.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
  16. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    No but one does get flack and stupid accusations racialism although race has nothing to do wth it. Pikies, and Muslims are very different groups but both are of many races. You have no idea Roger how bad things have become in Britain. Criticise any group of people who do not uphold British values and you are accused of a hate crime. It really is getting that bad.
     
  17. Learning

    Learning Ethelred the Ill-Named

    Back to the main subject. The last time I visited Liverpool I was with my parents and we took a ride on the 'Overhead'. It was great; you got good views over the docks.
     
  18. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    If a substantial minority of any group harm others you can only expect disapproval of the whole group to follow. Too often that's because groups tend not to criticise their own members soon enough or loudly enough. More shouts of "you're not a muslim bruv" or it's equivalent would really help in this area (although it turned out that the bloke who said that wasn't himself a follower of the man from Mecca).
     
  19. Benchista

    Benchista Which Tyler

    Hmmm. If you're accusing a whole group based on the actions of a minority, then you deserve everything you get. Criticising the wrongdoers as a minority of whatever group is perfectly OK and entirely necessary IMHO, and it's simply untrue to say you can't do it.
     
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  20. Andrew Flannigan

    Andrew Flannigan Well-Known Member

    In fact the right to criticise religions as a whole is effectively protected by the The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006. The only way in which you can be prosecuted for being nasty about someone's beliefs is "if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred" (section 29B[1]). Being nasty about someone on the basis of their race or sexual orientation is (rightly) quite a different matter and you make such statements at your peril.
     
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